A Maryland State Trooper has apparently shot and killed a man in Fallston earlier today after responding to a dispute.
Reports to The Dagger indicate deputies from the Harford County Sheriff’s Office were on the scene of the disturbance call in the 2700 block of Lakeland Drive.
Apparently the man, who is known by law enforcement, broke into the Fallston house early this morning, which precipitated the call to 911.
HCSO arrived slightly before MSP and the man started fighting with a responding deputy and reaching for his gun. Police used a Taser on the man twice before the MSP trooper opened fire – hitting him first in the chest and then in the forehead.
Responders then began to administer life saving measures on the man, but were not successful.
Reports indicate there was a significant amount of blood so all law enforcement at the scene had to go to Upper Chesapeake Medical Center for blood testing. The HCSO deputies involved are on administrative leave and being tested for post-traumatic stress syndrome.
Here is the full Maryland State Police press release:
HARFORD COUNTY MAN FATALLY WOUNDED AFTER ASSAULTING THREE POLICE OFFICERS
(Fallston, MD) – A man who threatened relatives after breaking into their Harford County home early this morning was fatally wounded by a state trooper when he violently assaulted the three responding police officers and attempted to gain control of a deputy’s gun.
The deceased man is identified as John M. Abbate, 52, of the100-block of Fidely Drive, Fallston, Md. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His body will be taken to the Office of the State Medical Examiner for an autopsy.
Shortly after 4:30 a.m. today, a Harford County 9-1-1 call was received from the home of Randall G. Willis, 51, in the 2700-block of Lakeland Drive, Fallston. Willis reported that Abbate, who was married to his sister, had broken into his house and was being violent. While police were on their way, Abbate allegedly threatened to kill Willis’ wife and said he could get a gun from his vehicle.
The preliminary investigation indicates two Harford County Sheriff’s Office deputies and one state trooper from the Bel Air Barracks responded to the call. They confronted Abbate inside the home and ordered him to take his hand out of his pocket. Abbate, who was described as being about 6 feet tall and about 300 pounds, refused all commands from police and lunged at the deputies.
A violent struggle ensued that involved all three police officers. Deputies used a Taser twice, but it had no effect on Abbate, who reportedly pulled the Taser prongs from his body. The trooper used an expandable baton, which also had no effect.
When Abbate attempted to choke one of deputies, the trooper and second deputy both attempted to intervene. Abbate threw both police officers off and reportedly picked up the trooper and slammed him onto a computer table.
Abbate continued to assault the deputy and attempted to pull the deputy’s gun from its holster. In fear for the life of the deputy and the lives of all three officers if Abbate gained control of the gun, the trooper fired his Department issued Beretta Px4 Storm .40 caliber pistol. Abbate was fatally wounded.
Investigators have not verified a clear motive for Abbate’s actions at this time. Information has been obtained indicating he was having domestic problems.
The trooper is identified as Trooper First Class Sean Harris, 27, who is assigned to road patrol duties at the Bel Air Barracks. TFC Harris has been a trooper for 6.5 years.
He was transported to an area hospital where he was treated for injuries to his arms and legs. He was released and will be recuperating at home. TFC Harris will be on administrative leave, which is procedure after a police involved shooting.
One of the two deputies was also taken to an area hospital. He was treated for back and neck injuries.
The Maryland State Police Homicide Unit is conducting the investigation. The State Police Internal Affairs Unit is also conducting an administrative investigation which is procedure in police-involved shootings.
The man who was fatally shot was apparently a big guy – 6ft tall and 300 pounds according to the Baltimore Sun.
That might help explain why two Tasers couldn’t stop him.
The Sun is also reporting the man was a relative of the homeowner.
Here is WJZ’s story on the fatal shooting along with video of the house…and a horse:
http://wjz.com/local/police.shooting.2.877090.html
What ever happened to the deputies that were involved in the assault and party with the hooker in Balt City that was reported a few months ago? Was that routinely investigated and cleared? What were the results of the dept Investigation?
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from what i have heard it is still under investigation as the one who was arrested is still awaiting his trial date in the city. apparently the investigation looks like one of them will make out ok not sure which one.
Richie- Im sure the investigation about the hooker thing will be swept under the rug. Its all about the politics. I would be surprised if either lost his job.
Sandi ..
I don’t even want him to loose his job….I just want him to be re trained after a nice unpaid UN benefited suspension and restarted as a provisional sheriff , with loss of seniority and rank.
Its to long that the supervisory members act as shop stewards instead of bosses. Their oaths are to the people, not each other !
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supposedly the sheriff’s dept is awaiting the outcome of the trial in the city before it’s investigation is concluded. Of course the case keeps getting postponed. Both deputies will be slapped on the hands to make it appear that they have been reprimanded and maybe they’ll go back to patrol for a short period of time but they’ll eventually resume their specialty positions. They may get sent to some kind of training but they will not lose any rank or pay. Like Richie C said, the inmates are running the asylum which is a shame.
Blue…that’s nonsense…..the trial is for criminal behaviour….the sheriff’s review is for his behaviour as a sheriff. Did he disgrace the dept. It was obvious he was there at a sex party with a hooker…that’s enough for me….it may not be illegal…but its not conduct I want to see a sheriff involved in.
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RIchieC: I agree wholeheartedly with you. This type of behavior from someone who is in that position should not be condoned. I went onto the Sheriff’s Dept website and they have a Mission Statement. I can’t remember it all but it includes the words “honor, integrity and dignity”. Seems to me that if these deputies are allowed to stay, that renders the mission statement meaningless and it becomes a sick joke. However, look at some of the other instances where the dept has been shamed –dwi”s, female deputies “flashing”, selling bogus handbags, whatever–and I think most of those deputies are still around. So it probably won’t be any different with these 2 fellows. I guess the agency’s definition of “integrity” and mine are quite different, although it seems pretty clear cut to me.
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Blue…the sherrif sets the tone of the department. The sherrif is not a union shop steward…hes the dam sherriff. He slaps the face of every good hardworking sherriff that doesnt engage in this abhorent behavior when he lets these goons slide.
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supposedly the one who got charged kicked the prostitute out of the house when they saw what was going and was punched in the face by her and then he pushed her down which is when she got injured. apparently he had a bruised eye and scratches on his face. then she called police and claimed she was raped and robbed which resulted in the one cop being locked up. i guess she must of changed her story because i did not see any of those papers in the paper. i am just a removed third party but this comes from a person in the “know” Be interesting to see how it plays out. As far as i know the deputies involved in the above mentioned incidents no longer work for the sheriffs office
I would like to see there ” Fireing’s” in print.
i am pretty sure they quit on their own before they were fired, i think the female works for aberdeen pd now
Well, while I think that their behavior is completely unacceptable I will admit that none of us here have all the facts. The female officer you are speaking of does work for Aberdeen, and has been raked through the coals for something that was neither criminal and was not exactly thrown to the media the way it happened.
I guess my biggest question is how this conversation has anything to do with three police officers risking their lives to control what was a VERY dangerous situation. It makes my stomach turn the way that people treat police officers like criminals when they are just doing their jobs. I can guarantee you that the trooper had no desire to take another persons life. HOW do the off duty mistakes of other law enforcement officers even compare to this shooting??
Vietnam Vet: How would a newspaper article about those officers losing their jobs bring you satisfaction??? I’m sure that none of us know the entire truth about any of those incidents, except for the people that were involved. It takes a very bitter person to find pleasure in someone’s else’s mistakes and misfortunes. These people have familys to support, just like the rest of us. Are you perfect?? Have your own personal mistakes ever been printed for all the public to see?
You all speak of “integrity”. Well since none of you seem to know the definition, integrity is adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; and honesty. Because of the great country that we live in, we all have the freedom to religion, and the freedom to decide for ourselves what we find moral or ethical. We have laws for a reason, outside of that, who are you to judge others?? If you are all so morally and ethically correct, why do you insist on gossiping about people that you know nothing about. The only information that you have is what the corrupt media decides to print. And if they can’t make it sound scandalous then they don’t print it…. think about it…
Puzzled- In this, the era of the 24/7 news cycle, it is more obvious than ever that “if it bleeds, it leads.” Nobody gives a tinkers damn if Joe the grocery bagger at the Giant gets into a fist fight with his next door neighbor over who’s dog pooped on who’s front yard.
But, change Joe the grocery bagger to Officer Joe (Trooper Joe, Deputy Joe), and that will be front page below the fold.
Is it fair? Is it a double standard? Or is it that we hold our LEOs to a HIGHER standard? We can’t have it both ways.
Look at the recent controversy over the police funeral processions. They close major roadways, cause accidents in some cases, and delays in all cases. Yet we will continue to honor our dead in the way we see fit, public perception be damned.
So, if we choose to live our lives in the public eye, we should be expected to comport ourselves in a manner that will withstand public scrutiny.
I agree with your convention that “let he who is without sin…,” but, again, we cannot have it both ways.
I find it interesting.these officers can put them self’s above the law. with no expection’s of getting caught. you’ lay with Dog’s you get Flea’s. these are the one’s that got caught. public servant’s doing there thing.it make’s great press coverage.
Lot’s of dudley do wrong’s in all branch’s of public service.
I disagree. They are human beings who, for what ever reason, made bad decisions. Go back to the example I gave of Joe the grocery bagger. Do we paint all grocery baggers with the same broad brush when Joe knocks his neighbor’s teeth down his throat?
Are 100% of all grocery baggers teeth cracking, dog poop discarding thugs?
As a percentage of the whole, there are still more good people in public safety than bad. Just like there are more good grocery baggers, doctors, teachers, truck drivers, (reporters), etc.
It’s just that it’s not NEWS when Joe lets off a little steam because of his neighbor’s poop-filled Pomeranian.
what your saying is.it’s perfectly all right for police to do what ever they please as long as there not caught. they were and it make’s good Press. aside from the fact it show’s the people the system we hold near & dear is working
On duty off Duty. protect & serve. they were caught with there pant’s down. justice was served.
Not at all. What I’M “SAYING” is they are as infallible as anyone else walking upright, which is to say “not infallible at all.”
Are you saying it’s perfectly all right for ANYONE to do whatever they please as long as they are not caught? OF COURSE NOT.
I’m “SAYING,” apply the same standard regardless of what they do for a living. Nobody stops being human when they jump in the bag, strap on the duty belt and go to work.
Police are as susceptable to human failings as anyone else. The hope is, that they don’t succumb to the same temptations with the frequency and regularity as do the rest of the populace. In a perfect world, the Centurions would remain above the fray.
But, we don’t live in a perfect world, and it’s not populated by perfect people.
The police have taken & oath. apparently it meant very little. it does not change the fact they broke the law. the law serves us as well as them. they got caught so much for the oath. they set a poor example for those who choose to walk the straight & narrow.
I think you have your items confused here. This article is about a deranged man who was shot by State Troopers. Vet is talking about the Sheriff deputies who were less nailed in a hooker deal gone bad. Dell, you are right to defend them all regardless of which case we are talking about.
Dave are you saying’ criminal behavior should be accepted because there police officers’? sworn to protect & defend ? bringing disgrace on there department & the officer’s who are doing there job.
No Vet. I am saying that we should not confuse the two issues. The trooper(s) who shot the maniac in Fallston need to be cleared and back on the street.
The Harford County Deputy who shoved the whore out of some party should be investigated, just like any other public servant, and either cleared or found guilty by the same process as any other miscreant.
Vietnam Vet: I’m still not sure why you think these officer’s believe that they are “ABOVE” the law. And I was never saying that they should be. They should all be held accountable for their actions. What I am saying is that they are HUMAN. Dell makes his/her point well. Everyone should be treated the same, regardless if they are an officer or a bank teller. The media chooses to plaster their name everywhere before these incidents are even investigated! Yet if they are cleared of the incident you never hear anything more about it?? There certainly is a double standard. Celebrities live in the “public eye”. Yet anything “scandalous” that involves them simply gives them more press time and more money in the bank? And as far as criminal charges go, it seems that anyone with plenty of cash walks away with a small slap on the wrist.
Police officers do tend to “take care of their own”. Who else is going to watch out for them???? But let me ask you this… what would you or any of your friends say if by chance YOU were caught “with your pants down”. And if the officer “cut you a break” by writing you a warning instead of a ticket, or called you a safe ride home when you had a little too much to drink? You would probably thank them and say “what a great guy!” But it’s unacceptable if they do the same for a coworker?
Officers see people at their worst on a daily basis. “Career criminals” aside, do you think that they judge the “average joe” for his moment of weakness… Everyone makes mistakes. Maybe you should find out all of the facts before placing judgement.
I have been ”waiting” on the fact’s. which apparently were covered up. which should’nt surprise anyone. they chose to take the oath. to put them self’s in a situation of poor judgement. and certainly a lack of integrity.
are allowed to continue with there career as tho nothing happened. we don’t need barney fife’s on the force. the standards have fallen drastically thru all branch’s of the police department’s.
Just take a look at some of them” corn fed” deputy’s on the sheriff’s department
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Like I said, no one will ever know that facts except for the people involved. I’d like to know what your “standards” are and if you meet them yourself??
I set my self very high standard’s when it comes to obeying the law. I am a man of age no arrest record never been stopped for a ticket etc.I respect people &there property if they deserve it.
Sem per fi.
I don’t think the sheriffs office is covering anything up as the case hasnt even went to trial yet. puzzled you are exactly right if joe the plumber had been involved in this situation his job and career would not be on the line nor would most of harford county know his home address. from what i know both of these deputies were very dedicated and leaders in their units, and were responsible for multiple arrests of violent gang members, it is a shame that 1 bad decision ruins them for life. If they are cleared in the criminal court it would be nice if the sheriff would make a public stand to support his personnell. just my $.02
Sorry I missed a day or so here, but I’m going back to where Puzzled is attempting to define INTEGRITY. The problem I see is that Joe the Bag Boy, when hired at Kleins, is not sworn in and does not place his hand on a bible and swear to show integrity ON and OFF duty. These deputies know damn well that if they have sworn not to embarrass the agency even when off duty but played with hookers anyway, they should not be one bit surprised that this has become an issue. Harford County is not Hollywood where scandals run amok and are looked upon as feathers in their caps. These deputies may well be the agencies finest and I think one of them even won an award, but the point is, again, the majority of us do not place our hands upon a bible and swear to certain things when hired at our jobs, but these fellas, having done so, should realize that they are held to that high standard and should have shown better judgment. Whether or not we agree with the definition of integrity, whether or not we ourselves have shown poor judgment in our lives, we have not sworn on bibles to do so like they have, so they are the ones who have placed this higher standard upon themselves and should behave accordingly. I”m all the way with Vietnam Vet on this one. Sorry Dell, I’m not saying they’re not good human beings, of course, as humans we all make mistakes. I’m not casting stones. But they placed themselves in this position when hired.
Blue- I don’t believe that misconduct of any sort should be condoned or tolerated. I take issue with broad characterizations that are foisted on ALL of us, by the media AND the public, when stuff like this happens. All I was trying to convey was that this is where the double standard lies.
If I lock up a Vietnam Veteran who is a pedophile, will the public at large begin a hue and cry that ALL Vietnam Vets are pedophiles? No.
But, one incident a year like the Baltimore City event, and suddenly we’re all booze-drinking, hooker-tossing jerkweeds.
All I meant by my comments was that it does a great disservice to those of us who are not hooker-tossing jerkweeds when people like Vet toss around pejoratives like dudley do wrongs and corn feds.
I don’t suppose vet would approve of us hurling insults at the whole of his brethren based on the actions of a few, either.
My hole point is.we are seeing a double standard here. I think I spoke of those who do the public a loyal service. don’t defend there action’s. don’t sweep it under the rug.
You expect the people to trust our police department’s. when they condone criminal behavior. it’s time to find a Hard core sheriff with some B-ll’s to clean House.
Yea you can bet I’am still catching Hell over my tour of Duty. ( grunt) 0331 machine gunner. Baby killer crazy etc.
Gary Owen & semper fi
vet…That was my point exactly.
GD!
Hate to invoke the name of Joe Meadows again, but there was no such nonsense with the deputies when he was at the helm because they knew he was in charge and they knew there would be hell to pay if there were integrity issues. How ironic that the Sheriff with the most b_lls (as V V put it) when it came to discipling the deputies would himself be done in by his own poor judgment and lack of integrity. On the other hand, the current Sheriff is the pillar of good citizenship yet some of his deputies are making headlines for all the wrong reasons. Again, how ironic. These deputies seem to need a sheriff with a firm hand, not a soft heart. Noth judging the department as a whole, but as the old saying goes, one bad apple spoils the whole bunch and that’s just human nature.
Thank you Blue & thank you RichieC. My thought’s were leaning in that direction. my next suggestion is to gather to gether. S. fred aberdeen’s lost mayor. & Rick Denu. ex aberdeen police officer. put them in a position of authority & watch the sparks fly.
Blue…admittedly not up to par with meadows integrety problems …BUT… Many public officials over compensate in many ways…to cover for their own weaknesses. This could explain Meadows. (and others like him)
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If you guys think Meadows was taken out of the picture because he was boinking a woman under (no pun intended)his employ…..you are not seeing the big picture.
Dell, as usual, you are right on !
I realize that Officer’s are sworn in. My question however is , who decides what is “morally” acceptable. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, religious or personal. I realize that certain things are unquestionably immoral, and all of those things are illegal. But it’s not an easy decision for the Sheriff to make the choice to end someone’s CAREER. Someone with expierence, who is good at the job they do. Someone who the agency has spent countless hours and dollars training. Many of the incidents that several of you are referring to held no criminal charges, either because no laws were broken, or the charges were dropped by the state. And not because they were officer’s, but for the same reasons they would have been dropped for the “average citizen”. So aside from laws being broken, who decides what is acceptable?? There are many examples of differences in moral and religious opinion. Abortion, premarital sex, … We could argue these things all day.
Puzzled: Come on, even Joe the Bag Boy knows that messing with hookers is not “morally acceptable”. I am no religious zealot by any means, but if Joe the Bag Boy gets caught with a hooker, he knows he has done something wrong. I agree with your point as to everyone having a different definition of “morally acceptable” and of course, there are different degrees. Taking a pen from your employer and taking a computer are both considered thefts, but any rational person can see the difference. There are many shades of gray in between the black and white, but the case with the hookers is pretty clear cut in my mind. As far as the Sheriff ending anyone’s career, I think it is quite the opposite. As far as I know, Bane has not ended anyone’s career do to their lapses in good judgment. Nor do I see him doing so. But if he did? Sorry to be harsh, but every individual has to be responsible for his own actions and take the punishment. Therein lies the problem, there will be no punishment, thus the “morally unacceptable” incidents will continue to make headlines whether anyone likes it or not.
Blue is right. no punishment no harm done. we are above the law to do as we please. prostitution is illegal. the very officers who are sworn to up hold the law are caught with a prostitute.
I think it’s apparent. what state of affairs the sherriff’s department is in. it might explain why the crime rate in the county is riseing. Daddy Bane must learn to discipline his children.
There you go again, vet. I suppose you’d suspend the accused’s rights to due process as well.
Last I heard, this case was ongoing. Let’s withhold judgement on the punishment until there actually becomes the need for said punishment to exist.
If the facts bear out (and all indications are that they will) then let guilty pay.
Blue-Heres my thing. Whether they broke the law or not, which is not relevant to my point. IF they get terminated, they can no longer be a police officer ANYWHERE. That is why in many cases, officers are given the choice to resign because at least they can get a job elsewhere. There are laws and such, where the new hiring dept. can know if they resigned under investigation but other than that, its just like any other person getting a new job.
I dont have a single clue as to what happened. But, I do know that in the current positions they held, they were good at their jobs. I hope the best for them.
Vet- I have to disagree that the crime rate has anything to do with the sheriff.
Quote. if the fact’s bear out. ( and all indications are they will ) then let the guilty pay. why the change in heart.
Sandi: Whether or not they broke the law IS the entire point. We wouldn’t be on this blog going back and forth if there was no indiscretion committed, this is to say, breaking the law. I know Dell, let the facts bear (Bare!) out. Let’s fast forward for a bit and say one of these deputies is found guilty of breaking the law. Sandi, you argue that the deputy should not be terminated because he would never be allowed to be in law enforcement anywhere again. That is the entire point. If a police officer is found guilty of a crime than he SHOULDN’T ever be allowed to be in law enforcement again. And if the deputies THOUGHT before they ACTED they wouldn’t be in this position. As I stated earlier, Bane won’t punish them no matter what so no one will be leaving their law enforcement careers. And Vet, I’m with you again. I think Bane is so busy putting his name “out there” for the next election, that he’s not minding the store. He’s making his deputies play basketball, collect and deliver Christmas items for needy families, and what not. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, but I am asking if this is the function of the Sheriff’s Department? I equate it to a family. Mom and Dad are out there being good citizens while the kids are home smoking dope or whatever. Take care of your house first and everything else will follow.
if they had been in the old corps. ( marine) they would have bin given a dishonorable discharge. & drumed out of the corp’s. registered as and Re 4 on there discharge. which mean’s they could never reinlist..
Here they are in civilian life. to run rampant & do as they please. oh I just commited a crime. it’s ok I just resign and go to aberdeen etc. to continue to do as I please.
so if they are cleared in the criminal court do they still deserve to be police officers. or is the Baltimore City justic system which locked them up going to be accussed of “covering for their own”
It’s not going to make any difference. if they resign’ they just move to a nother local police department to continue there crime wave.it’s a win win situation. called have your cake & eating too.
well i guess we will have to see what happens. the more i talk to people in the sheriff’s office about this i am beginnig to believe that the one who got locked up attempted to do the right thing and was hung out to dry by his so called friends. I am really hoping the truth comes out. To hear the story you really feel bad for the guy and i dont know either one of them but the batcheleor appears to be a real jerk
The bachelor had some thing to worry about. he supposedly was going to be a newly wed. Hi honey’ I’am H ome. I brought you a venereal disease.
vet- No change of heart. I have been consistent throughout this discussion. We should neither condone or accept misconduct (see post #31).
I was merely calling you on your apparent ignorance of due process, and your other comments like #48.
A simple statement of fact. it’s called a double standard.
This is not a statement of fact, it’s called hyperbole:
“if they resign’ they just move to a nother local police department to continue there crime wave.”
It adds nothing to the conversation, and shows your inherent bias.
Most of the time on here, your opinions and mine are sympatico. How about we agree to disagree on this one?
just found out new court date that was specially set if January 7, 2009. maybe in 30 days you will see the truth and how the sheriff handles the situation.
Relax Dell your still wet behind the ears. But Merry christmas.
I guess in focusing on “moral conduct”, I lost sight of the fact that there was a wedding planned. So the deputy did get married? I’m sure that was a happy honeymoon. I could start a whole new thread about what kind of self-esteem issues the bride must have, but I won’t go there, as they say. Tim, how did you find the court date? Do you have a source or do you check on the internet.? I hear there’s some website to find out about judiciary proceedings, just haven’t needed it yet.
Still wet, but I have a new beach towel! Merry Christmas, Semper Fi!
Blue:
I have friends employed with the sheriffs office
Come on Vet. Calling Dell wet is just silly. He has been making a very good point all along. Go back and read the posts, then apologize to Dell.
Semper Fi, Gary Owen and “Chairborne”
Lets be clear…the sheriff is not the courts. There is the law of the land and the rules and conditions of having ones job. The sheriff has the job of maintaining the credibility of his dept. In maintaining that credibility he MUST enforce a level of behavior amongst his subordinates that does not compromise that credibility. When that credibility is lost , so is the ability to bear witness and enforce the law.
In politics and also law there is another thing called “conflict of interest”. When a conflict exists and is benign , such as a judge being related or connected to a defendant or other party in a case they “recuse” themselves to eliminate this “conflict”. The sheriff must “recuse” the offending officers from law enforcement, whether guilty or not of a crime, when they are involved in certain activities as to maintain an environment where no conflict of interests exist. A conflict in this case would be that type of party. If this isnt done the credibility of the deputys in general is eroded and law enforcement becomes impossible. When law enforcement becomes impossible public saftey is hurt.
Go Dagger !
Blue, on the contrary, several deputies have lost jobs since Bane took over. Just because it wasn’t printed in the paper doesn’t mean it isn’t true.. However I tend to agree with you about Bane only having one thing on his mind, getting re-elected!
And I was not referring to one specific incident, I stated that all of the unquestionably immoral things are illegal (post 39)…last I recall prostitution was illegal. However, I completely agree with Dell. Let them conduct the investigation before we assume they are guilty. From what I heard, the deputy that was arrested was trying to prevent his friend from getting into trouble, and ended up taking the fall for him!
Vet, I don’t know of ANY officer’s that have every gone on a “crime wave”? Most of them have made a stupid and careless mistake, that sometimes resulted in them losing their jobs. But that doesnt mean that they moved on to another agency to try and “get away with murder” again?? I would like to know the reason for such hatred towards law enforcement??
No name, I agree with your statement, however I would love to know why the sheriff decides to let deputies go for things he though “immoral”, yet keeps others that have broken LAWS?
Don’t sweat it, Dave and puzzled. There are those among us who won’t be swayed by juvenile stuff like logic, common sense and rational thought. To quote Oklahoma State University football coach Mike Gundy: “I’m a MAN! I’m forty!”
I Do not disagree with Dell’s way of thinking. it’s just correct to bring in a different view point. it is not good to continue. thinking rationally. besides it’s the Dagger where else would you expect this kind of Hype.
I Don’t dislike police officers. I have family in the state police & yes they read the Dagger.
apparently they did not have a party with this hooker, she was broght to the house by other people after the planned nights events had concluded when the one deputy made her leave which is when things got out of control
Tim: Do you know who these other people are who brought the hooker to the house? Were they deputies? Whose house was it? Was the homeowner there? Wow, I didn’t realize any of this stuff. So it’s possible that the deputies were victims?
I Think what happened was a bachelor party that went awry’ we certainly could have some innocent victim’s here.it is possible the bachelor knew nothing about the hooker. because she was pre arranged. which is usually the case. some thing went hay wire. a fight insued miss ( HOOKER) who decide’s she is not leaveing. is then forced to leave.
Mad as hell’ bring’s charge’s against said deputy’s. for assault.& battery. so the moral is even a street whore has the right to due process.even tho I personally would have hard time believeing her story.
She still retain’s the right to due process.
This whole line of discussion is in commentary to whether the sheriff can be trusted to do an investigation into a shooting.
As exhibited here…see what happens when trust is eroded…the proverbial question is always present…is the sheriff’s investigation on the up and up.
For this reason a sheriff needs to be clear and public in his support for good behavior in his deputies.
Erasing the BLUE LINE protects the deputies that are doing there job. It Protects them from cliques and workplace politics. There should never be a question to any investigation…when there is the sheriff is not doing his job.
Go Dagger !
Blue
I do not know who any of the other participants were i do know they were not deputies. The party was at the home of an aquaintance of the bachelors, who i assume was there.
RichieC you hit the nail on the head. Police in general seem to keep everything so secret, i believe that if the deputies were cleared you would not see a public statement made in an attempt to clear their names it would all stay behind closed doors. I posted what i have been told for that reason, because it seemed a possibility to me that the truth if it is that would not be told.