The author is a veteran Harford County Public Schools teacher, who requested anonymity out of concerns about possible professional reprisals. The Dagger has verified the author’s identity.
Teachers understand that America is in a deep recession and budgets are tight. We understand that the county does not have the funds for the fourth year in a row to honor our contracts and pay our scheduled step increases. While it will be very difficult for most to pay the increased health care benefits next year, we are grateful to teach in a county where most of our students want to learn. We are more then willing to do our patriotic part to work tirelessly for future generations of Americans.
What we don’t understand and find incredibly disrespectful is while we are being asked to sacrifice, money is being thrown out the window. The secondary teaching force will be reduced by fifteen teachers next year with more cuts at the elementary level. At the same time the school system just spent over $600,000 dollars to purchase a computer system, performance matters, to grade tests. We don’t understand why $727,992 dollars will be spent over the next four years on a program called Model Department Chairs. Frankly, our department chairs already know what they are supposed to do.
We don’t understand why $399,615 dollars will be spent to “ensure teachers are able to access timely data and resources.” We already have at least seven ways to access more data then we know what to do with.
Empower your teachers by respecting them – if we need to cut the budget let’s cut the budget – not the teachers. The fact that the Superintendent could have been eligible to receive a bonus as high as $19,000 this year, while teachers are facing rising health care and pension deductions is perplexing. Custodial and facilities staff, all ready working on a skeletal crew, are also being cut to hired more three piece suites who never see a student or touch a broom all day.
We do not understand why capable and qualified candidates are passed over for Principle and Assistant Principle positions while less qualified people are promoted or imported from Baltimore County. This strategy allows only those people who will act as puppets for the Superintendent to be in positions of authority.
We don’t understand the witch hunt to place as many teachers as possible on “plans of assistance.” I have a few great plans of assistance: hire more teachers, cut class sizes, reduce the number of different class preparations per teacher and allow teachers and administrators to hold students accountable for their education instead of firing their Principles.
Mr. Tomback has made a mockery of our counties educational system. A system which, has historically outperformed Baltimore County across the board, in every tested area and for less money per student. A system which has produced successful astronauts, scientists, and teachers. His decisions on hiring, firing, and what to spend money on are illogical and counter productive. The Superintendant and his new hire Mr. Lawrence don’t even live in Harford County. Would we hire a County Executive that lived in Baltimore County?
If the people of Libya can find the courage to get rid of Muammar Gaddafi, I would hope that the Harford County Board of Education can come up with the guts to get rid of Dictator Tomback. Your troops are demoralized and fading fast so I hope you act soon. Thank God for elected school boards.
W says
Dictator Tomback? Actually I have heard that within HCPS Tomback is referred to as The Intimidator and his Baltimore County sidekick (Lawrence) as The Assassin. Either way not very flattering.
Parent says
I’ve heard that too! Oh wait… it was on here – in a comment, on different article. 🙁 hmmmm
W says
Maybe that is because this piece of information needed repeating and directly related to the issue of teacher morale that the author of the letter addresses.
nofanofdarksideadmin says
I can not agree more. Personally, I have been treated unfairly by the Superintendent and his joke of an assistant Lawrence. They have truly created and fabricated stories to move respected teachers out because “they felt poor publicity made them look bad”….”they make themselves look bad all alone. They have an attorney from Baltimore County who is equally as unethical and immoral. Wayne Boyer and Jeff Fradel are two more that when asked to jump; they say “how high”…so very pathetic for the state of our schools. There exists a pack of liars who falsified documents and literally made up lies in order to make my life miserable. Ultimately I was forced to resign after 18 years of sterling evaluations. These people are the very ones who “refuse to discuss anything”…They are bad news! They have no idea about Harford County. They offer no second chances or redemption for respected and loved teachers. I say “run them out of town with no second chance”!
teacher says
I completely agree with you. However, everything that
you described above, Jackie Haas did the exact same thing right along with her side kicks, Boyer,Fradel, and the most ignorant of them all Jon Oneal
ced says
can not believe that the director does not live in the county. personally i believe all county department heads should be mandated to live in county. otherwise a very informative article.
RinoHunter says
How do the Harford County Taxpayers get rid of this clown?
Proud to be Liberal says
Don’t you now elect School Board members? Isn’t that the rationale of elected boards?
Really? says
Interesting message, however the numerous errors are unfortunate and decrease your credibility.
dmichaels76 says
Not to nitpick, but you should have used a semi-colon between the word “message” and the word “however” instead of a comma.
bestdayever says
OMG. …THAN we know what to do with.
And..PRINCIPALS!!!!!
A veteran teacher? By submitting this for publication without proofreading, you hurt the cause.
dmichaels76 says
Only to nitpickers like yourself.
Fishykiss says
Expecting correct grammar and spelling is not nitpicking, especially when you are talking about education and it is coming from a “veteran” teacher. That kind of thinking is what gets us a mediocre educational system. We should strive for excellence. I agree with what was said but find it a bit off putting that the writer wasn’t able to get the point across using correct English.
dmichaels76 says
By the way, there is really no reason for you to put quotes around the word “veteran” as you did. Also, we don’t have an educational system, we have an education system.
dmichaels76 says
Also, “off-putting” should be hyphenated.
Fishykiss says
I will agree to disagree – besides, I am not claiming to be a teacher. No one said it rendered the point moot, just that the writer looses some credibility in being qualified to make that point… As a teacher yourself, I find it incredible that you think proper English is nitpicking. Perhaps there is a reason some Harford parents are unhappy with the education and guidance their children receive in the public schools from some of the teachers?
dmichaels76 says
I think you meant “loses”, not “looses”. Also, your last sentence was not in question form therefore should have ended with a period rather than a question mark.
bestdayever says
Really? It is “nitpicking” to expect a veteran teacher, who submits a written piece of work for publication, to know how to spell the word principal?
dmichaels76 says
No, but it is nitpicking to assume that because someone uses incorrect grammar that the point of their entire message is moot.
I’m not saying this person shouldn’t have proofread; but I don’t think using the wrong form of two words renders the message meaningless.
dmichaels76 says
By the way, the use of two commas in your message was not gramatically necessary.
dmichaels76 says
Also, you should have put quotes around the word “principal”. As you put it, the “word principal” would be the person in charge of words.
monster says
It is easier to see someone else’s mistakes isn’t it?
K says
There is no way I can even begin to understand how someone getting paid to teach our youth cannot spell principal correctly. Both forms of the word were just on my 4th graders spelling list, honestly.
old teacher says
Give the teacher a break, he probably was in a hurry and did not proofread. Look at all your posts they are not perfect. Until you get in the classroom you have no right to comment. Why don’t you support the teachers of HCPS instead of always putting them down!
TotallyFrustrated says
Could easily name several teachers, who through extensive qualification, dedication, volunteer time, hard work, concern for students and fellow teachers have been passed over for promotion for much much less educated experienced individuals who definitely had no concern but for themselves. One in particular that comes to mind finally retired even though asked several times to stay additional years. This wholeheartedly frustrated others in the knowledge a highly qualified caring individual was gone. How do you combat the hidden Haas Volrath “No Gray Hair Policy”? You don’t without change at the top. This sentiment will again show itself in the near future when two top experienced, educated and dedicated teachers will retire at the last minute after feeling the effects of this current trend. Surprise! How do you combat the problem when an Assistant Principal is hired through incorrect information on the application, ineffective previous performance and the personal knowledge they would not stay once a desired position opens elsewhere outside the county. The subjective selection process for upper ranking positions is antiquated and needs a heavy duty overhaul. A true shame to see a system quickly going to the dumps.
Parent says
Many large school systems have recently had major changes. Some played out in the public eye like DC/Rhee and others much closer home are less publicized but still having the same effect. Unless I hear something more specific or concrete it would seem fair to say that we are simply rocking the boat of complacency. Practices like last in first out are being changed. Core standards are being implemented. This will create some push-back. I’ve noticed some of the same names calling foul over many articles but then I hear little to substantiate their point. Sites like the Dagger give you the opportunity to put information on the table without fear of retribution but when readers see repetitive posts that are nothing more that slinging mud it belittles the argument of the author. I’m reading. I’m watching. I’m listening. Tell me something that will help me respect your feelings.
oldteacher says
Times are bad economically and I think most teachers get this. I don’t believe that is the biggest issue. I get the feeling teachers don’t feel respected, and some trust has been lost between the employees and the boses. That being said no matter what the times, some teachers will always be unhappy. Why? who knows job isn’t what they thought, don’t like being told what to do or how to run their classrooms.
Others are going to do an outstanding job, no matter what. Now is not a good time for alot of these discussions, because typically at the end of a school year all are tired, and in need of a break.
Dulcinea says
This letter is an embarrassment to all teachers. The writer has lost all credibility. Please do not compare your situation to that of the Libyans under Gaddafi. You can leave, they could not. And I actually think you should leave. Perhaps the lack of respect you mention is for good reason.
dmichaels76 says
I don’t know…I’m a teacher and I don’t feel embarassed. I think the person should have proofread a bit better especially given that they were submitting the article in hopes of having it published, but their errors certainly don’t make me feel embarrased just because we both happen to share the same profession.
I think the points were very well stated and I think the content of this persons thoughts are very well presented. I didn’t find that “principle” and “then” detracted from either their message, nor from the courage this person has to speak out on these issues; there would certainly be repercussions if this persons identity were to be revealed.
I don’t think the persons analagy to Libya had anything to do with the degree of freedom that one might have in a given situation; it was referring to the amount of courage it might take to change an unpleasant situation. Your suggestion that the person simply leave their job because they are either a)unhappy with a situation, or b)because two grammatical errors stands as proof of a lifetime of occupational incompetency seems slightly less courageous.
By the way, I purposely misspelled “analogy” just to challenge you: see if you can think about what I wrote rather than trying to elevate yourself because you recognized a misspelled word.
Dulcinea says
Thanks for the challenge. My intention in my response was not to elevate myself. Are you familiar with the concept of projection?
This is not a form over substance issue for me. It is an indication that maybe, just maybe, some of the teachers who are loosing their jobs are doing so for good cause. I did not think that to be the case before reading this letter.
C says
I am okay with poor teachers loosing their jobs, but do we have good teachers to replace them with? and who/what determines if a teacher is good or bad?
dmichaels76 says
“Losing”, not “loosing”.
monster says
Your point is understood. Please don’t make light of incorrect grammar and punctuation. Unfortunately, too many of our kids do. Just admit a mistake and continue your points.
dmichaels76 says
I’m not making light of incorrect grammar and have acknowledged that the author should have proofread. However, I don’t think two grammatical errors invalidate the message and I find it somewhat fascinating that the same people who claim that it does continually make grammatical errors themselves.
It’s funny how people keep giving my comments a “thumbs down”, yet by overlooking the points that people are making in favor of focusing on their grammatical errors I am doing the same thing they are doing. How is it ok for them to make errors while maintaining validity but not someone else?
Maybe this is really what is wrong with our system: we hold everyone else to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. My mistakes are just mistakes; everyone elses mistakes is proof or their inadequacy, especially if they are someone we can scapegoat.
Barbara says
Silly me, I read the content of the letter and didn’t notice the grammatical/spelling errors that have so many of you in a snit.
DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WRITER SAID??? Did you notice the budget items that Harford County pays for that are absolutely ridiculous?
Where is the school board when it comes to reviewing the budget? Where is the checks and balances system? Where is community outrage directed at such waste?
Tomback is destroying a system of education and the people who breaks their backs to work it.
Where is the public outrage?
dmichaels76 says
The public prefers to be outraged that a teacher used the incorrect form of two words in their article.
monster says
No, the public objects to incorrect spelling and grammar by people who should be defending it.
Concerned Teacher says
No, the public prefers to nitpick about errors in the delivery of the message rather than argue the merits of the message.
All that I need to know about Dr. Tomback is that he created a brand new staff position at a cost of about $120,000 for Bill Lawrence. All the people in HCPS who used to report directly to the Superintendent now report to Mr. Lawrence, and Mr. Lawrence then reports to Dr. Tomback. By doing this, Dr. Tomback doesn’t have to interact with his staff except by his own choosing. The money used to create this position could save 3 teachers their jobs, yet Dr. Tomback shows more concern with insulating himself from the rest of the school system.
I look forward to the day three years from now when the Board of Education declines to renew his contract. I hope the school board then learns from its mistake and finds someone who isn’t petty, vindictive, power hungry, and/or paranoid, but instead someone who cares equally about the teachers, the students, and his own staff.
Really? says
Bestdayever,
My hope is that you too are not an educator. Please reread the article as there is more than one error. Also note, that even first graders are held accountable for words commonly displayed in the education environment.
bestdayever says
My, “Really?” was a response to the notion that I was being nitpicky, not a way of addressing my comment to you. I hadn’t even seen your comment when I wrote that. It was just a coincidence that I wrote that and you have that same screen name.
I think your attack at me is weird since we have the same point.
I purposely didn’t include other errors because it might actually BE nitpicky to point out that it should be….a County Executive WHO…
However, I think it is still incredible to think that a teacher could have been in a school setting for more than 20 years and not at least have the DESIRE to be able to spell the word principal. It is not about the rules of spelling. As others have indicated, it represents a much bigger picture.
Although I like the first paragraph, I think the rest of the article represents bandwagon mentality. This person is calling out others for their poor job performance without applying the same standards to himself/herself.
Boo says
You clearly do not get it. How do you get by in life when a few simple errors block your ability to comprehend a simple article?
dmichaels76 says
Is it just me or does anyone else find it a bit odd that the commentors on this thread are more bent out of shape about the author’s grammar than they are about the facts presented?
“The superintendant is spending a zillion dollars on Nilla Wafers, as part of his No Cookie Left Behind program”.
OMG!!! He misspelled a word! He misspelled a word!!!
The forest for the trees, anyone?
a wake up call???? says
Thank you DMicheal and Barbara for being voices of reason in the commentaries here. I could not agree more that the majority of the commentators are missing the larger point.
Thank you to the brave author of this CLEARLY communicated article. It does give those in the classrooms a glimmer of hope to know that there are other intelligent, hard-working people who are feeling equally frustrated in the current educational climate. I especially think this entire conversation should be directed back to a simple yet smart solution propsed in regards to the current state of our system:
“I have a few great plans of assistance: hire more teachers, cut class sizes, reduce the number of different class preparations per teacher and allow teachers and administrators to hold students accountable for their education!”
Thank you for that!
To those grammar experts reading- perhaps you may wish to know that linguistically speaking, a sentence is grammatical if it makes sense. It may not be proper- but the purpose of good grammar and mechanics is to communicate clearly- not simply to avoid error. I, for one, know how easy it is to miss an error in proofreading something- especially if it is something emotionally powerful. I also happen to know plenty of intelligent people who make occasional mistakes- Frankly, that is what editors are for. I find myself “LOOSING” respect for any one who misses the larger, more important points of this article in the pursuit of demonstrating ones’ intellectual superiority in the English language.
The ONLY thing that doesn’t make SENSE in the aforementioned article is the wasteful spending and the deterioration of morale in our schools- that and the fact that many people reading are more concerned with the correct spelling of the word principal than how those principals are demoted or appointed.
Dulcinea says
Oh, come on now, I was challenging you.
Try to understand that I was not trying to be superior to anyone in any way. I continue to be amazed that a teacher would put this article out there for all to see as poorly written as it is.
I don’t know where you went to school but where I went to school this essay would not pass muster. Were I to submit this in my job, or a comparable product, it would never be acceptable.
So, I stand by my assertion that I expect better from someone who may actually be teaching my child.
beth says
This is not a resume and we all know that he would proofread for that purpose. Stop comparing irrelavent items. Stick to the topic!
monster says
No one missed the point, but I find it interesting that you have.
a wake up call???? says
Point: As the author of this article clearly explains, “the secondary teaching force will be reduced by fifteen teachers next year with more cuts at the elementary level. At the same time the school system just spent over $600,000 dollars to purchase a computer system, performance matters, to grade tests. We don’t understand why $727,992 dollars will be spent over the next four years on a program called Model Department Chairs. Frankly, our department chairs already know what they are supposed to do.
We don’t understand why $399,615 dollars will be spent to “ensure teachers are able to access timely data and resources.” We already have at least seven ways to access more data then we know what to do with”
Points: Class sizes are increasing; supplies are dwindling; the witch hunt is on; teachers are made the scapegoat, and morale is at an all time low. We are not attracting the best and brightest to teach here. (I think our pay is somewhere like 34/36 counties?? Our pensions, pay, and health care are being cut.)
Points- regarding testing and data collection- “In top performing countries teacher autonomy in the classroom is prioritized, and there is less emphasis on testing” (Goldstein, Dana. “Is the US Doing Teacher Reform All Wrong? PBS). And also regarding testing, “The education stategies now most popular in the US are conspicious by their absence in the countries with the most successful education systems” (Goldstein). So…maybe Performance Matters and the costly data collection should be reexamined.
Points- Uniting with our community- teachers, parents, members of Harford County who truly do want the best for our students is the only way to affect any real change. By raising public awareness of these issues (points), hopefully more citizens will support the teachers in the classrooms and thereby the students. Hopefully they will engage in intelligent discussion in public forums such as this one- write letters to the BOE- attend Board Meetings- demand that we do better to support the children and hard working employees of HCPS.
Point- Any teacher who cares enough to do the research, take time at the hectic end of the year to compose and submit an article that puts them at personal risk, and speak up for the rest of us, deserves commendation versus derision and excoriation.
Bozo the Clown says
First off, I would like to say I am a strong supporter of the No Cookie Left Behind Program.
monster says
A Wake Up Call,
I agree with your points about teaching and teachers, but please don’t try to justify improper grammar and spelling. How many years have you been in school? Our young people agree with your philosophy. How long will it be before we have no rules and anything goes? All you have to do is go to the inner city and you will find the results of that philosophy. Admit and respect the mistakes, and stay firm to your points about teachers.
twogirls says
How about commenting on the bottom line here? I just had to purchase four packs of copy paper so I could print out the proper curricular activities for my current unit. Why? Our school has no money for paper. Not because my administrator misused the school funds, but because the school’s budget was cut in half. Now add that up with the 4000 pencils I bought for kids who never have one, 40 boxes of colored pencils, 15 4-packs of dry-erase markers, bulletin board curricular items, 16 packs of notebook paper, and a $45.00 electric pencil sharpener because the school system buys the their sharpeners from the cheapest lot and they last about 4 weeks. Mmmmmmm? And we shouldn’t be outraged?!
Bel Air Girl says
I have come to the conclusion after spending so much money this school year on supplies that next year I will refuse. How long that will last, I really don’t know.
Obvious says
I wonder who wrote this article? My guess would be the person who has spent all day defending it.
tax payer says
You should not have to pay for such things – parents should. As long as you do so they (parents and the school system) will take advantage of you. It is one thing for people to buy materials they use to do their job (tools, uniforms, etc.) but not to buy materials for someone else to do theirs. This seems to be the problem with many in society today. They expect someone else to do everything for them including schools raising their children.
Obvious says
ure wright; “pairents” shuld help! Ide like to buye to aufer a dixsionary. Ware shud I send it? (Just kidding – but I couldn’t help myself …HA! rotflol)
I happily send supplies to my children’s school anytime I’m asked. I don’t expect teachers to foot the bill for all the classroom supplies. I think maybe TAX PAYER is also writing as several other pseudonyms on this page as well. What do you think DMICHAELS76?
Thanks VERY much to all the excellent teachers that have worked so hard this year. I assure you that your efforts do not go unnoticed. Have a great summer. Stick in there a few more days.
twogirls says
Taxpayer, I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I can’t do MY job, if the students don’t have the “tools” to do their job. If I don’t purchase those items, then my students are unable to work to their best academic level. Therefore, making me appear to be doing a lousy job teaching them.
-underpaid- check
-costly health benefits-check
-summers off without pay- check
-my choice to be a teacher-check
-using my own funds to perform my job correctly- costly
monster says
Yes, teachers have been subsidizing education in this county for years.
tax payer says
And that is wrong!
a wake up call???? says
Monster- actually my philosophy on grammar is that it is essential to teach our students to speak and write well and communicate clearly above all- especially now. Had that been a student paper with such compelling points and three grammatical erros- they would have “passed muster.”
I also teach them that there are levels of formality regarding language, and you must be able to navigate those levels properly in various situations by clearly knowing and applying the rules as fitting for the circumstance. To say “I ain’t got no money” is grammatical if you are speaking to a friend, but on a job interview it would be a big mistake- this is why we learn the most formal level. I am well educated with a masters in writing and highly qualified in this subject, so besides teaching- and teaching grammar- in my classes every day- I make sure my students truly understand how complex the communication and writing process is- that there are many steps. Editing comes last. We all make mistakes. Nobody is perfect. Speaking and writing clearly and also listening are essential to future success.
Ultimately, I do find it sad that this has become a debate on language usage and the importance of grammar- which I would enjoy in another venue- instead of an intelligent discussion of the points of which this article seeks to raise awareness and spark dialogue. I have been in this system for all 15 years of my career. I am overworked, underpaid, and feel underappreciated. I do a lot on my own time to give my students opportunities for which I am not paid. I am highly qualified and reputably good at what I do. I have a file full of glowing evaluations. I love my students, my school, my job every day, and though I am far from perfect, I work very hard to be as good as I want my own children’s teachers to be. I have composed my content carefully and proofread this post, but I still may miss something due to this informal format- or human error- or in just typing too fast. I do know my grammar and so do my students. I have never witnessed morale as low as it is in current times. I would like for more good teachers to want to come and teach here- in selfish part to make my job easier. Instead good teachers I know are leaving. Everyone is deflated. Things aren’t good- and only in this format are we truly able to say so- annonymously- and seek community support.
It’s not us and them. It’s all of us who want the best for our kids and students. Teachers like the one who wrote this article are trying to tell you what would help things, but no one wants to listen.
tax payer says
If things are as bad as reported here, and I am hearing similar stories from friends that work for the school system, what can the BOE do about it?
Bel Air Girl says
That is a very good question Tax Payer! I found out today that I will have 28 kids in my class next year (Elementary School). There are only 3 teachers at my grade level. All 3 of us will have 28 kids in our class. Since all schools had teachers cut and did not replace retiring teachers, our classroom sizes are HUGE!!!!! They could not move around teachers becasue of issues and large class sizes in other grades. It is pathetic…..The BOE will do nothing about it. The only thing we will hear about is how we are in tough times. I guess as long as central office gets their pay raises. 🙁
monster says
A Wake Up Call,
I know exacty what you are talking about. I am a former teacher and administrator with over 32 years of experience. Since you teach communication and its many forms, you should know that how one writes is how that individual is perceived, like it or not. You make mention about using appropriate communication for the group at hand. Does that make the readers of this site uneducated? What makes me mad is that certain educators have tried to say that improper writing doesn’t matter. That is the wrong message to be sending to the public and doesn’t help the cause. We all make mistakes, but we don’t have to alibi them away. I agree with what you write about the system, but I don’t like the way it was done. Remember, when you declare yourself to be an educator, you are representing a lot of good people who deserve to be served in a better way.
Concerned Teacher says
Monster, you wrote: “What makes me mad is that certain educators have tried to say that improper writing doesn’t matter. That is the wrong message to be sending to the public and doesn’t help the cause.”
I don’t think that is what is being said by people here. I believe that what is being said, and that I agree with, is that the message is more important than the delivery of the message. Some people aren’t great writers, but that isn’t necessary to be a great teacher. Some people don’t spell well. Some people can’t solve a mathematical equation. Some people can’t identify five forms of government. Some people can’t create a technical drawing. Why do any of these things matter if they are not relevant to what they are teaching?
In hindsight, perhaps the original author wishes s/he had copied and pasted the article into a Word document, run the spell check (which wouldn’t have caught “principle”, by the way), and then resubmitted it. Personally, I was not distracted from the message that was delivered. It amazes me that so many others were, and even further that so many people ignored the message or devalued the message because it was not well written from a technical perspective.
dmichaels76 says
I have reread this entire thread and I have not seen a single instance of anyone claiming that grammatical errors are acceptable. I think everyone agrees the author should have proofread, including myself. You may disagree with others that the errors are proof enough to invalidate the authors points, and so be it. I think missing the point because of the errors is a worse offense than the errors themselves.
You are starting to remind me of people I knew in music school who used to go to recitals so they could sit in the audience so they could count how many mistakes the performer made. I think it made them feel superior in some way, and it allowed them to render the performers musicality as worthless while enabling them to not have to listen deeply to the music.
You know, it doesn’t really surprise me that you are a former administrator.
monster says
DMichaels, your comment about not being surprised that I was an administrator leads me to believe that you do not like administrators. I think they call this prejudice. I also think it shows how shallow you are. Good administrators make it possible for good teachers to teach. They handle numerous problems that teachers don’t have to face. Let’s be honest, all administrators are not good, and neither are teachers. Yet, the HCEA protects the bad teachers while colleagues look the other way. Let’s not go down this path. By the way, a very wise man stated that the message was the medium. Be careful of who represents you.
dmichaels76 says
But then again, HCPS has a tendency to protect inept administrators. This doesn’t justify HCEA protecting bad teachers, but let’s not pretend that HCEA is the only organization that is looking to “protect their own”.
As far as prejudice is concerned, I don’t believe that’s the case. I’ve had some really great administrators and then I’ve had some that were the antithesis of what an administrator should be.
I can tell that you believe that kids deserve outstanding teachers. So assuming that you were an outstanding teacher before you became an administrator, why did you decide to leave the classroom?
Newbie says
I have heard it said that education is the only entity that does not fire ineptness…it promotes it.
monster says
Once again, you show your prejudice. Why does anyone seek leadership? Do you think schools can operate without administrators? If you do, you really are shallow.
Your justification of HCEA to the admininistrative efforts is another of your excuses. If anything, administrators might need to be more determined to get rid of bad teachers. I seem to remember about two weeks ago, two principals being demoted. How does that fit your example. One more comment before I leave this site-one alibi that was written was that everyone is not a good writer. When it comes to basic spelling and grammar, someone with at least a Bachelor’s degree should be able to communicate on an elementary level. I don’t care how many degrees they have.
Newbie says
Principals and vice principals, yes. Tons of policy makers that are out of touch with the classroom, no. Like it or not, our county is top heavy with executives that make large salaries. I read where our administrative salaries rank second in the state. Are our teacher salaries that high? How about our per-pupil spending?
dmichaels76 says
Monster- you seem pretty adamant about believing that I am prejudiced about administrators. That’s ok with me, even though a few of my closest friends are school administrators.
My statement about HCEA is an excuse to you, and that’s alright with me too. I already stated my opinion about the union protecting bad teachers, but I know of a lot of good teachers they also protect.
Yes, two principals were let go recently. Still, no one knows exactly why, so I am going to reserve judgement, lest I appear prejudiced. I do know of quite a few administrators whose errors were made public and their “removal” resulted in promotions. I don’t think their screwups are a reflection of all administrators, any more than I think the authors grammatical errors are a reflection of the teaching profession.
I’ve found a few grammatical errors in some of your postings. Does that render your comments invalid? I don’t think it does.
a wake up call???? says
Monster-I agree with the majority of your points. Obviously the readers are not uneducated or they wouldn’t catch the mistakes in the first place, but I would argue that a blog-type, online format such as this one mimics conversation more than most formal levels of writing- especially when no editor (??) is proofing your copy (??) Every published article I have is drastically different than what was written to some degree after editing! And for the better, admittedly. This comment thing doesn’t have a spell check to my knowledge, for example. My point is that those so critical of the grammatical errors, erroneous though they may be, are sadly and severely missing the larger point at hand which is what we should all be debating and working together solve!!!
a wake up call???? says
Monster- Finally, what is sad to me is that instead of of debating grammar when we are clearly in agreement in principle (no pun intended), we should be a united front when it comes to the points raised, and as you said- represent those in education who do deserve to be served in a better way.
monster says
We should also be united when it comes to demonstrating competency to the public. They pay our salaries, and in my case, my retirement. Show them and all teachers respect by representing us in a way that displays our education and training.
HarCoMom says
A big thank you to the author of the printed letter. I could not have written a better letter — it hit the nails on their heads!
I am also a HCPS veteran teacher and I teach at the elementary level in Aberdeen. I adore my school, my students, and my colleagues. Those things keep me motivated each day because what is going on with our Superintendent, our administrators, and the other “important people” is disheartening.
I hope more teachers speak up. Write letters to your BOE members!
A Citizen says
I am also a teacher and can say we are losing 5 teachers this year. Granted, one if a retirement, but the others are all leaving for other careers or other counties/states for better pay and more respect. All but one of these teachers was well-respected and had great rapport with their students. I think that is what the author is trying to say.
Parents…if you don’t care about teachers, you should still care about this issue because good teachers are leaving, and fast, which will directly affect the quality of education your students receive.
(PS-I didn’t proofread this because after working 12 hours at school today and with a little more work to do before going to bed,I don’t really have the time.)
Seriously? says
Stop the discussion about the grammar and start discussing the problem.
monster says
No one is discussing grammar. I am not going to repeat again what I have said. Read it.
Bozo the Clown says
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO YOU’VE GOT IT ALLLLL WRONG! Those Model Department Chairs have nothing to do with academics, they’re just trying out the new comfy seat cushions for the chairs at the central office, hence the term Model Department Chairs!
Also, Harford County may have produced astronauts, teachers, and scientists, but this is the same county that produced John Wilkes Booth!
Really? says
The topic, poor teachers need to go. We should all be happy to show them the door, for our children’s sake.
dmichaels76 says
And since you are apparently an expert on what makes a teacher worthy of their paycheck, I think you should be the one to make the decisions. Perhaps you could contact Dr. Tomback to see if there is an opening for you.
By the way…last I checked, colleges and universities were still offering education degrees. Since you seem to have innate knowledge of the subject matter, I think you should consider getting an education degree and a teaching certificate and bestow your excellence on the youth of Harford County.
monster says
Dmichaels, your arrogant comments will certainly help turn the public away from educators. You are an example of what I don’t want representing me. The public has the right to question the BOE, Tomback, and TEACHERS. Stop responding in such a high and mighty way. Your salary and benefits are paid by the public. You know that, and yet show a lack of respect in your responses.
dmichaels76 says
Monster,
So, let me see if I understand this:
If you disagree with me it is because you are right and I am wrong, whereas if I disagree with you it is because I am prejudiced, shallow and disrespectful. You also have the right to tell me to “stop responding” in a way you don’t approve of, yet somehow I am the one that is arrogant?
While I appreciate knowing that (according to you) my comments will have a dramatic negative effect on public opinion regarding educators, I never claimed to represent you or anyone else. If you feel that this is a case of “one of us represents all of us”, then perhaps you too should tread lightly as not everyone on this thread has approved of your comments either (although I suppose one could always claim their contrary opinions to be a mark of ignorance as well).
In addition to being a teacher I am also the parent of HCPS students, and therefore have a viable interest in the county education system, and consequently will speak out as I see fit.
And since you brought it up, I’d like to remind you that I too am a taxpayer. In fact, due to business interests in Harford County, I pay considerably more taxes than most citizens. So if you want to really get down to the nitty-gritty, I pay more of my own salary than anyone else does.
Regardless, I do not believe that just because someone receives a paycheck from the tax base that they surrender their First Amendment rights.
monster says
Dmichaels,
I never said that you didn’t have the right to your opinion. I stated that I don’t agree with many of your statements or observations. You come across as an arrogant individual who wants to lash out at anyone who disagrees with him. It was you who spoke against my belief that teachers should understand basic grammar and spelling. Remember?
You have business interests in Harford County? I hope that doesn’t take too much of your time away from teaching. When I taught, I also worked- in the summer.
No, you don’t represent me. I used that statement to tell you how I felt about the way you handle different opinions. Quite frankly, you act like a child who cannot be told he does anything wrong. You keep saying that I am missing the message of the original author. How many times do I have to tell you that I am not missing that message. Many of the issues that he writes about are on the mark. However, it doesn’t look good for a college graduate teaching children to make elementary school errors. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are a lot of taxpayers who probably agree with me and I am not happy about that. I take no joy in seeing a hard working teacher make those kinds of errors. It does not make teachers look good.
dmichaels76 says
Monster- actually, no, I don’t remember disagreeing with you that teachers should use correct grammar. In fact, I’ve reread all my posts and I haven’t seen one instance of my saying so, although I have seen several instances when I clearly stated that the author should have proofread more thoroughly.
What I didn’t do was condemn the author or deem the message invalid because of the grammatical errors. I did point out the grammatical errors of several individuals who also condemned the author as a “tongue-in-cheek” way of illustrating my point that while errors should be edited before publication, they do not invalidate the thought.
My business interests do not detract from my teaching. Actually, my success outside the classroom tends to lend a degree of validity to my teaching as my students and their parents see me as someone who practices what I preach. Also, my because my business is a year-round venture I am fortunate to have several good people who work for me. This really helps me focus on teaching and sponsor a lot of extra-curricular activities as well, and the extra income has enabled me to spend a considerable amount of money on my students over the years. So, no worries there. Thanks for your concern!
In this last post, you referred to me again as arrogant, but you added “childish”, which is a new one. You are leading me in attacks on character by the score of about 6-0.
Not to change the subject, but which of the issues do you think the author is on-the-mark about? I would bet that we agree on some of those points.
DD says
Don’t feed the trolls, Monster.
It's not about the grammar says
Seriously ?,
I could’t agree more. I am sick and tired of the wasted comments from the spell check/grammar police. GET A LIFE!!! It’s not about the grammar, it’s about the low moral of the professionals that educate our children. Teachers already had a tough enough job prior to the bad economy and the new superintendent. Anyone that has children in the Harford County public school system should do whatever they can to support our teachers.
TeacherToo says
I am a teacher. I love what I do and I work hard everyday. I feel demoralized because it feels like the general public paints my profession with a wide negative brush.
May I suggest that parents take a minute to thank a teacher who is doing a good job. You’d be surprised just how much it means to me when I hear from parents in a positive exchange.
Everyone remembers a teacher they didn’t like or didn’t have a great experience with…but I would suggest that you could name more than one that inspired you or that you admired. I can still name my teachers from K-5 and at least one thing that made me love them, and THAT was a long time ago!
Harfordmom says
OMG…A teacher didn’t proof read an online comment..oh the horror..I’m sure no one else has ever made a mistake – seriously?? Dr’s, nurses, cops, cashiers, csr’s, people in Hr, admin assist’s, and yes even teachers make an occasional error. everyone makes mistakes. If your so concerned about this – go be a teacher..and no I am not a teacher or even in education, just annoyed at the constant beating up of teachers who somehow have to be perfect at all times and not human – ever…and that goes for anyone really – lighten up a bit folks – life gets hard, help support folks – don’t kick them. It maybe you one day.
hiring and firing practices says
have a federal investagation as to why the administration continues to hire there friends
Really? says
I am a proud HCPS teacher and have been for 17 years. I have extremely high expectations and applaud administrators who move along those educators who do not.
dmichaels76 says
Well, in that case, just ignore my previous suggestion.
I’m glad to know that there are master teachers like yourself in the system.
insider says
Nice rant. You really should spend your lunch doing something more calming. At least read all the posts before commenting on each one. Tick-tacking away on your phone is not going to help what got you where you are. Hold it together for two more weeks.
Been there, done that says
Again, the point has been missed almost entirely: the problem lies at the top…Dr. Tomback is not the man for this job. He was not the top choice of the students involved in the process of vetting the candidates nor was he the top candidate of other persons conducting the process. The man is a giant jerk with NO people skills but is adept at speaking the “party line” to those who “butter his bread.” His “clear the slate” efforts at replacing all administration with his own Baltimore Co. cronies is a means by which the progressive agenda is being brought to Harford County, the one last bastion of republicans in the state. He was sent here in order to change that. Thankfully, Mark Wolkow (another puppet/puppeteer) is leaving his post but who know what other progressive monster will replace him…Alison Kirchnavy?
Has anyone else noticed that, since the inception of the Dept. of Education (and its accompanying propaganda “sister” organization, the NEA) that our children’s education has done nothing but deteriorate? The FIRST thing anybody should do is go download the book written by Charlotte Iserbyte (former member of the Dept. of Education under President Reagan) called, “the deliberate dumbing down of america” -free pdf download. It is a HUGE compilation of documents that spells out the intention of the Dept. of Education: to systematically produce a population of drones specifically trained to certain purposes as decided by those “in charge.” Truly, I don’t believe many teachers enter the teaching field in order to further this agenda. I seriously doubt many of them had any intention to do any more than “teach the children.” The system has become so rife with corruption and hands out for federal dollars that the concept of educating the children has be usurped by the concept of “training” and indoctrinating them. If you don’t believe me…you must start reading.
The new “model dept. chairs” program has only been a means by which to spend the Race to the Top monies we “won” from the federal government. I truly believe that those monies were nothing but a further effort to keep the states and schools beholden to the federal government so that they must teach the “agenda” or lose federal funds. Why on God’s green earth was it necessary to set up such a program? It certainly wasn’t to “save money” … it certainly hasn’t done anything to shrink the class sizes or improve the facilities and supplies. Does the general public truly believe that our schools now require a lock on the front door to keep our children safe? Those locks aren’t to keep our children safe…they are to keep the parents out when and if they decide to. Why do I believe this? Because when a friend of mine’s child was assaulted in elementary school, when she was notified of the incident and said that she would be right there, she was told that she wouldn’t be able to be present when her child was questioned. She disagreed and was told that she would not be admitted to the school until the questioning was completed. Just a small matter, right? Basic denial of civil rights. If parents and taxpayers don’t wake up and start paying attention, our education system will truly become one of blatant indoctrination and propagandizing toward a “progress agenda.”
Sadly, after a recent long and painful “process” of attempting to fight the system’s intentions, I have grown weary of others’ indifference and apathy to the most basic problems of our education system. I will be beginning homeschooling of my children next fall. Why? Because when my straight A students were tested at a local private school, their test scores showed that they should actually be C students. I will not allow my children to be further dumbed down to the point that they, too, will be unable to differentiate be between “principle” and “principal.”
? says
There are many that are in complete agreement with your first paragraph. It is obvious that you are not a fan of Ms. Krchnavy. The BOE needs to show some real leadership. Is there anyone on the current BOE willing to challenge Tomback?
alongthetrail says
Close observers will tell you that the change has already taken place. The two replacements that the Gov appoints may alter the balance. A little time will tell.
Been there, done that says
To “?” The only board member that I know personally is a great person and their service to the community has been thwarted repeatedly due to their being “too involved.” Krchnavy was only named due to a “stupid” response she gave during my “time” fighting “the system.” She advocates the PTA as being the “only forum via which to approach the school board and be heard.” Nonsense.
I am hoping that the elected positions on the school board may be able to reverse the damage already done to HCPS (or, at the least, put the brakes on to prevent further damage.)but there is still a majority of appointed positions and you can be pretty sure that whoever replaces Wolkow will be as “hand-picked” as Tomback was unless parents truly begin to take notice and exception to what is currently happening. It cannot be left to the few parents who have been willing to attempt addressing the board. Those parents need back up and to be supported via letters and phone calls to all relevant persons involved. Do you realize that nearly the entire “policies” handbook for HCPS has been buried within the state codes? To attempt to find answers requires a lot of digging … I would really like to know why that was done. It was all reported at the board meetings but no one ever stepped up to ask: Why? Why make it so difficult? Just one of many issues that should be taken up. As I said, I’m done with it. I truly hope that folks will actually make the effort to read Mrs. Iserbyte’s book…if not, then all I can say is, “Good luck.” If folks aren’t willing to explore the motivation behind why our schools are failing then shame on them. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/
there's more says
@ BEEN THERE DONE THAT:
Are you also going to mention that spectator sports (specifically around here it’s football) are pushed on us to keep “the masses” happy? Mandela used Soccer to keep the peace in Africa. You want to get the attention of parents, take HS football out of the “education” system and make it parks & rec. You will then get your letters and appearances at board meetings. You want to keep more teachers and lower class size? Well there’s your money. Phys Ed is different from team sports. Look at how much is being spent. It doesn’t take too many board meetings to hear the large sums of money being improved. Why is it that no one wants to investigate that?
Jeff says
Wow, how I wish the Aegis or the Dagger would truly investigate what is happening to teachers all across the county. Veteran teachers with more that 20 years experience and a personnel file full of excellent observations and evaluations are now suddenly given poor ratings! They are not given constructive criticism. Instead they are put on destructive, career bashing “plans of assistance”. New Principals with little to no training in leadership and interpersonal skills and with only four years of classroom experience are given the “green light” to demoralize an entire school faculty. Just walk down the halls…if they let you in…and feel the sadness for yourself!
HarCo Mom says
Jeff –
Great comment. I wholeheartedly agree with your observation regarding administrators with very minimal classroom experience becoming experts on what good teaching looks like. These plans of assistance have become more and more prevalent, even with experienced teachers with nothing but successful observations with prior supervisors and administrators. It’s a sad state of affairs. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Seriously? says
Let’s buy out Tombacks ‘s contract! If all employee’s put out $10-$20…we could get him out!!!
Been there, done that says
Dang! If it would work, I would pitch in…who’s with us on this????
Seriously,Jeff: I’ve watched exactly the same thing happening in the schools around here. For example: no matter how badly a child behaves, there are to be NO referrals to the office for correction. The teacher must deal with the student on their own. “Looks bad for the school.” Teachers go out of their way (above and beeeeeyoooonnnd) to help their kids succeed only to have a planned event (months in the planning and monies already spent)”cancelled” … happily, THAT one backfired and the event came off with FLYING colors totally ended up being a teacher’s “shining moment” while the administrators gritted their teeth and looked on. The teachers’ morales are so in the dumps … how hard would it be to constantly have instruction time interrupted by disorderly kids and have NO one to deal with it but yourself while a whole classroom of kids sits back and watches the teacher’s inability to “deal” with one child who is usurping their instructional time? In my day, a kid got out of line – zip, gone! Off to the principal’s office where a prompt phone call home was made (actually, I’m old enough to remember corporal punishment! Not very many “behavior issues” in those days)
At “there’s more”: you’re most likely correct…the only way to get anybody “up in arms” is to take away the sports…grrrrrr.
Just seems like everything is upside down and inside out and people are just sitting by… “Well, I’m sure they know what they are doing.” Not bloody likely! They’re completely demoralizing our children and their teachers.
BA says
Been there done that: It sounds like you have tried to do your part to fight the “dumbing down” of America’s children. You have many great ideas, and I wonder if you’d be willing to write an/many editorial(s)? I for one think they need to be heard. Your comments are great, though I fear they are being lost amongst the many posted on the comment board.
It is time for educators, students, parents, and community members to say that the neglect we are showing to our children by not providing a rigorous education is unacceptable. It is unacceptable for teachers to be blamed when they are on the frontline of the battle, trying to do what is best for their students. It is time we stop fighting each other and fight a system that is failing.
Students First! says
So progressive ideas are a bad thing?! God forbid we actually put the students first!
I think some people forget what education is about, THE CHILDREN! It’s not about putting the teachers first, it’s about putting the students first!
Newbie says
Absolutely…children should be the main priority of the educational system. Good teachers ensure that this happens within their classroom. I think the point trying to be made is that teachers face an uphill battle in making this ideal a reality. When you are teaching to a test, dealing with students who are unruly and refuse to learn, a superintendent with limited qualifications and limited respect for those in the trenches…putting students first is extremely difficult.
I say, weed out the “dead weight” at the top. Weed out the bad teachers who don’t put students first. And, God forbid, weed out those students who do not want to learn so that those who do can. What should we do with those who don’t want to learn? Teach them a trade. Academics are not for everyone.
BA says
Newbie: Well said! Can we get you a mic at the next BOE meeting? The community needs to unite and DO SOMETHING! It’s our future!
harfordmom says
YES !! teaching to a test does not promote well educated kids – just they can take “the test” I’m afraid they know less now than ever when they graduate..
I would like for kids to be held back again-they have to earn it..if they don’t know it in 3rd grade, they won’t in 4th..(the whole team shouldn’t win a ribbon-when they lost or only 1 kid performed well) their self esteem will be much worse when they can’t get a job because of those “little things like spelling, grammar and basic math” it won’t be learned if they keep being pushed through..There has to be consequences for not doing well in school..where is the respect for oneself if you pass and graduate no matter what..
When I was in school we had 3 levels of classes, basic, intermediate and advanced…bring that back and yes vocational schools are great – but smart kids need to go there too, not just the stereo type of “kids who don’t care” -the point of vocational school is to get kids interested in something and prepare them for jobs..all good things – but even then they need to show up, be involved, be willing to learn…just like in school…
Parents – start raising your kids and teach them manners, respect and care what’s going on – that is NOT the job of the school system…that’s your job…
I never would have thought I’d say this but I may look into home schooling..
Newbie says
Harford Mom – I hope you didn’t take my comment about vocational schools to imply that it was ONLY for those who don’t care about academics. I was only trying to make the point that many kids who are unruly in the classroom may find it more beneficial to learn a skill with their hands. Of course, if they were unruly in this environment as well they would need to be dealt with. How? I don’t know, Parris Island maybe?
I agree with your other points as well. When we starting doing away with the class divisions, we began watering down what a teacher can do in the classroom. Teachers that I have spoken with know this as well. I think if we let teachers and parents form a coalition to improve schools and leave the paper pushers from the administrative level out of the equation, we might just be able to fix the educational system. Alas, it is only a dream that will never come true.
Harfordmom says
Newbie, No, I did not take your thoughts on vocational schools for just those who don’t care…not at all. I just know many folks do and wanted to pointed out that they were great for everyone and a good option for many…I should have stated that better – sorry.
I know it’s a dream, but one worth keeping alive and striving for I guess. Glad to hear I’m not the only one – Thanks.
monster says
newbie, could you please tell us what publication you read that indicated that Harford County is second in administration. The last data that I saw put us near the bottom.
TR says
It really doesn’t matter how our administrative staff compares to other jurisdictions. What matters is whether we need the number of administrators we employ. From my own observations the answer would be no. Especially the position created by the Superintendent for his good friend for Mr. Lawrence.
monster says
“YOUR OBSERVATION” that there are too many administrators is not fact. It must be nice not to know something and then write your opinion as a fact.
TR says
Newbie – Your assessment of the Superintendent is very perceptive in spite of your limited years and experience. It would appear you have potential but I fear under the current leadership your promising talent might either be ignored or you may be run out of the county.
Jeff says
Students First…to what progressive ideas are you referring? If there is no respect for the teacher, how can any good come about for the students in the classroom? If the teacher is “stepped on” at every turn and NEVER acknowledged in a positive way by administration, how then will he or she have a healthy and happy classroom? Please, walk a mile in our shoes for once instead of standing on the outside thinking that you undstand what is happening inside the schools.
high school teacher says
Jeff,
You could not have said it better! I am a veteran teacher and have seen some of my colleages end up retiring this year because of evaluations by a first year administrator. These teachers have gotten excellent evaluations before this year and the students love their classes. Too bad TOMBECK that you are losing these great educators. Shame on you. Let’s buy out his contract. I’m in!!
Bel Air Girl says
We need to start putting some of the parents on “Plans of Assistance”.
Been there, done that says
At BA: You know, I have spent the last year and a half “playing Paul Revere.” You know what it has gotten me? A lot of blank stares and change of subject, “Oooooh! Where’d you get those shoes?!” types of conversation transitions. It has also gotten me labeled as an alarmist and seems to have caused many people to walk the other way when I come along. Or I get “cornered” by parents who wish “something would be done” but don’t want to go “public.” Granted the majority of those people are in the same boat as the teacher who wrote this article: fear of professional repercussion. I spoke up, and, trust me, I have spoken up loudly all to no avail…see above. If I thought that I could truly make a difference, that people would begin doing their own homework and would “serve en masse” in the best interests of THE CHILDREN AND NOT “the interests of the administration” … how on earth did “Students First” fail to grasp the central concept of my message? … Hey! “Students First” do you not realize that all of the “progressive” ideas are what has brought us to this point to begin with???? Maaaaannnnn! That is a prime example of how people are failing to get their heads out of the proverbial “bucket” and listen to what I have been saying. “Students First” is the battle cry of all this nonsense and, meanwhile, they are falling further and further behind!!!!!! The “progressives” are the ones who want to separate children from the discipline and morals of their parents, they are the ones who utterly refuse to back up the parents’ expectations of a firmly respectful and educational experience in the classroom. The Teachers are begging for some administrative backup but are being told “handle it yourself, DO NOT send them to the office, ’cause we’re gonna send them right back to you without any consequences. In fact, we’re going to blame you for failing to maintain control in the classroom.” It is a really good lesson and one in which the children who are witness to it (trust me…they are all watching this behavior very closely) and those children are learning quite plainly that there are NO consequences for disrupting the classroom.
If people start questioning the loss of transparency in the HCPS system as a first step, then maybe something can be done. I am exhausted fighting the battle on my own. More people need to educate themselves as to the intent of the Dept. of Education, the NEA, and, yes, the Teachers’ Unions. I’ve named the perfect resource to start with ( http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ ) Once people have made that effort to stand up and take these matters “en masse” to the school board and demand a change, nothing can be done by just one person. One last question on this point: How many people are aware that the NEA has endorsed the book written by Saul Alinsky, “Rules for Radicals,” and encourages all of its members to read it? Okay, how many of you were aware that this is to whom the book is dedicated:
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”
Ya know…kind of speaks for itself where the NEA comes from. And where they want to take our children.
Dulcinea says
I suspect your coworkers walk away from you for many reasons. If you actually believe that Progressives want to separate children from the discipline and morals of their parents you are clearly a troubled and biased individual.
It is not your job to impose your morality on my child. I do expect my child to treat you in a respectful manner. If he does not do so then I would support sanctions being imposed.
If you contend the NEA is an evil organization, however, I must question your grasp of reality and be concerned about your judgments in all things.
C says
It takes a village to raise a child
Been there, done that says
Dulcinea: You obviously failed to read my post in its entirety and gain the entire context of what I said. Indeed, had you done so, I doubt you would have responded in such a flippant manner. Did you make any effort to look at the links I provided? Did you take the time to research my statements? Did you not take the time to read the Introduction to the NEA’s endorsed book, Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals?” You’re one of those people who has her own opinion and refuses to do the “foot work” required to be fully informed. Thank you for your efforts. It’s folks like you who contribute to the decline of our country’s educational system. Just continue to follow the herd, Dulcinea, right off the cliff.
Been there, done that says
http://edwatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/nea-recommends-saul-alinskys-rules-for.html
Funny says
DMicheals76,
Pardon the personal attack, but you are overbearing. Your opinions are plastered everywhere and your criticism is often deflective. If I were an Empath, my mind would be inundated with rage from the other commentators ~ whom are annoyed by your “two-cents.” If I had Telekinesis, I’d smack your head with a paper towel roll. If I had Technopathy, I’d power-off any electronic device you touched. Unfortunately God has neglected me and you too. In my case He forgot to grant superpower and in yours He forgot to name you the new Saint Peter. Why do you judge everyone’s comments? My Precognition tells me to expect a report as well.
dmichaels76 says
The point I was making by being critical of the grammar of some of the postings was this: Why are the author’s points moot because of grammar, yet the critics points are not moot because of grammar?
Some people who took offense to my doing this were doing the same thing to the author, then took additional offense when I pointed out this double standard.
Also, I have repeatedly stated that the author should have proof-read more thoroughly, and have never said that grammatical errors are acceptable. I just don’t believe they render a person incompetent to make an intelligent and rational statement.
I think focusing on the way a person speaks rather than on what they are saying is the greater error than vice-versa.
Been there, done that says
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Author says
It is true, I am a teacher and I can not spell. My inability is common among people who are the product of an experimental reading and spelling curriculum used in the early 70’s. The program was called ITA and taught students to spell phonetically using vowels which were connected, such as ao, ie, ei, and ou. Even with intense practice I have never been able to overcome this deficit, which I share with my students on the very first day of school. It is true that in my anxiety to publish an article about the school system I have served for nearly twenty years, I did not properly edit the article and for that I am truly sorry. For the fact that the editor didn’t edit, I am also truly sorry. I do not have access to the internet at home, I do not watch TV and I did not know what OMG meant until I read the comments posted about the decline of the county school system. I have not written one of the comments on line. I was so depressed that my error caused the OMG’s to be directed towards my spelling rather then the issues raised in the article. I would reference the comment about missing the forest for the trees, thank you to who ever wrote this
I can’t spell, I can however explain the pros and cons of nuclear power, outline the radio active decay chain that transforms U235 into Pb, and explain the components and functions of a nuclear power plant. I can teach students how to use S and P waves to find the epicenter of an earthquake. I can diagram the valence electrons of the elements on the periodic table and teach students how to build complex organic molecules. I can teach students how to conduct a bio-assessment of aquatic ecosystems using benthic invertebrates so that they can monitor water quality. And I can play Vivaldi’s violin concerto in public. I do love teaching and my students, which is why I took the risk and trouble to write the article.
You may also be interested to know that cuts in the teaching force will most likely result in teachers having to teach outside of their content areas. Such as science teachers teaching English grammar and spelling. It may just as tragically results in English teachers explaining valence electrons and balancing chemical equations.
To those of you who are truly concerned about our students’ futures please let your voices be heard. Go talk to some teachers and get the information you need. The reference to Lybia was meant only to compare the amount of courage it takes to change a broken system.
HCPSTeacher says
I just have one thing to say about this. All the parents need to contact the board because Lynn Owen the supervisor of Language Arts in the County has taken away spelling in the elementary schools for the first time this year. Spelling AND GRAMMAR is to be taught in content. No more weekly spelling tests and words to learn. If you happen to be at a school that still has it, then KUDOS to your principal for not listening to Lynn Owen. Spelling is going to be removed from the report card as well. Parents should be outraged as are the teachers. We are dumbing down our kids and we need to take a stand. Our children need formal grammar lessons as well as spelling on a daily basis. I often wonder to myself if even Tomback himself is aware of this. Parents you need to do this. If teachers do it then our jobs are on the line. Parents and every other tax payer in this county THIS IS HOW HARFORD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS OPERATES!!!!
dmichaels76 says
You’re welcome, and thank YOU.
from,
the “forest for the trees” guy!
a wake up call???? says
Author- take heart- at least some of the readers commenting here have the sense to know that one misused homophone does not a terrible educator make- at least some of the people here understand the larger points -that poor leadership and wasteful spending are ruining HCPS and forcing excellent teachers to leave the classrooms for good to the detriment of us all. Not all of us presume to be able to define your 20 year career based on one TWICE missed ( by you and the editor)edit- As you have so eloquently proven in your brave and honest post- sometimes being great at spelling isnt the most important thing to being good in the classroom- it certainly has little efect on your ability to teach science apparently as this post illustrates. I beleive it’s why we have content areas??? I am sure those who presumed to be able to judge your teaching career based on this error feel pretty foolish now- I would. I certainly can’t play Vivaldi either! For those who lost the forest, maybe they are witch hunting themselves- either out of habit or in practice to get better at it- it’s really a good example of that sort of thing that is going on in our schools isn’t it?-it’s very easy to make ill informed judgement calls based on very little information but also ill advised-
Either way your message was not lost on me for a moment and I am grateful to you. According to the posts here- it was not lost on everyone reading. Hopefully those who did GET IT and agree that it is wrong to allow these practices to continue will speak up regarding the relevant issues here to the BOE.
For me it is simple gratitude to you for raising public awareness in your article- it is a testament that you MUST be an excellent teacher and you do care very much that you even wrote the article to speak for all of us despite personal risk- I hope that there are positive results in the end- and those who got lost by the trees along the way- well I would feel sorry for them really- if I wasnt fearful that my job could be in their hands.
One last point I heard today- that our student success is 3rd in the state while our pay is 3rd from the bottom- if we are- despite our inadequacies -mine in science- yours in spelling- doing something right and measuring so well- clearly outperforming Baltimore County- then why on earth would we waste so much money to try to implement broad sweeping changes that model a county not as strong as our own as it exists right now- changes which are costly and do nothing to serve the students of HCPS!
Thank you author for your article and your post. My glimmer of hope is that it may affect positive change.
Jeff says
Truer words were never spoken!! I am a teacher in this system but I send my children to a private school where there is discipline and a strong basic curriculum. My children can add and subtract, spell and write rings around most public school graduates. They have been trained in critical thinking and have good study habits. What a sad comment on public education today. I used to feel like a hypocrite for working for the public sector and sending my children elsewhere, but I no longer feel that way. Since teachers are dictated to from “above” what and how they will teach, I can only blame the “higher ups” for this poor state of affairs. The sad thing is that the teachers get the blame for the mess that is now public education. I wish the local papers would investigate what is happening in the schools…not only in regular education but also at a certain special education facility that is falling apart at the seams due to a dictatorial administration…I hear the cries and suffering of those poor, hard working teachers and other staff members but apparently no one at the Board of Ed cares.
David A. Porter says
It’s interesting that some folks here espouse the notion that there is quality affordable education in this county that is not provided by HCPS. In another Dagger Article, I had commented that I found the administration of the middle school to be less than interested in the well being of my son who was missing. I spoke at length about providing him a cellphone because they were unable to assist me in locating him. And I was roundly criticized by others in this community for having the gall to teach my son the critical thinking aspect of thinking for yourself and not simply listening to what someone else tells you to think. I was also told that I did not belong in the public school system and the suggesting was also made by another parent that my being outspoken about an issue against school policy was somehow going to cause my son to be subject to ridicule or worse from this supposedly Christian Conservative Community. I choose to do what is best for my son and myself… I make no demands on other people to conform to my will. I do expect enlightened people to understand that while I may disagree with policy, that is my choice and my right and not an indication that I should be ostracized by this community for choosing to think differently.
Harfordmom says
I’m so sorry to hear that you had to go through that Mr. Porter. Do not however, give up on teaching critical thinking to your son or thinking for yourself…the sheep of the world will always fight that, but don’t let them change you or what you know is right…It’s very scary to me how so many won’t or can’t think for themselves and follow what simply doesn’t make sense…blind faith in anything is dangerous…
Keesha says
Folks,
There are a lot of very high quality private schools in Harford County and many of them are affordable for most people. Most of them offer some form of needs based tuition assistance. Stop wasting your time on these clowns. The last thing they have on their mind is a quality education for the children in the public schools.
That being said I do find it very troubling that my tax dollars, and I pay a lot of them, are supporting the Harford County Public Schools but I have to send my children to a private school to get a quality education. If you want to fix this, make the County and the State implement school vouchers and req
Keesha says
We need all HCPS Board of Education members to be locally elected by Harford COunty tax payers. All of them. We need all HCPS employees with children who attend school to be required to send their children to Harford COunty public schools. We need to require taht all HCPS employees live in Harford County as a condition of employment.
Concerned Teacher says
How dare you tell me where I have to live?
How dare you tell me where I must send my children to school?
For a moment, I thought I lived in America. Thanks for reminding me that I do not. Apparently, I live in 1930s Russia.
Parent says
Concerned Teacher,
I support both your and Dr. Tomback’s right to live where ever you may choose.
Keesha Jackson says
I didn’t tell you where to live. Live where you like. It is, indeed, a free country. I simply said that if you want to be employed by Harford County and be paid by the taxpayers of Harford County then you should be required to live there. If you want to live in Baltimore County or Cecil County then work for them.
Harfordmom says
seriously?? Then that means you need to be required to live where you work perhaps?? People have the right to work and live where they want…period…the next time you have a thought you’d like to share..lay down and wait for that feeling to go away…please
Bozo the Clown says
ENOUGH ALREADY! THIS DUMB CONVERSATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A WEEK! LET. IT. GO.
Dulcinea says
Thank you, Bozo, for that insightful commentary. My guess is that you do not have children that attend Harford County public schools and for that, I am thankful.
Keesha says
If you teach in the Harford County Public School System but find that it not good enough for your kids then that tells me all I need to know about HCPS. The product that you turn out is okay for everyone else but your kids are too special to be part of it? What arrogance. The HCPS educational product is average at best. Why? An administration that is clueless. Teachers who are permitted to teach when they are not qualified to do so. Folks, if you are a quality teacher in the HCPS then my sympathy goes out to you. You are trying to do what is a difficult job in the best of scenarios with the organization tying at least one hand behiond your back. Harford COunty residents with the means to send their kids to private school do so. Just like President Obama.
TR says
@ Monster, My observations, and the conclusions I draw from them, in addition to other information I know does lead me to the opinion that HCPS does not need the number of administrators currently employed. I thought it was pretty clear I was offering an opinion which has not changed. I feel quite confident that an outside review of the organization by an independent body would come to the same conclusion. I think the BOE should consider doing so.