Del. Szeliga: “There Have Been a Number of Documented and Prosecuted Instances of Dead People Voting in Maryland”

From Del. Kathy Szeliga:

The intensity of the legislative session has kicked up a few notches this week as we are quickly approaching “Crossover Day” on Monday, March 17th. This is the last date for bills to “cross over” between the House and the Senate to be considered in the opposite chamber. To meet this deadline, delegates are considering and voting on many bills in their committees and on the House floor.

While there’s a lot of bad legislation that comes out of Annapolis, this week I want to focus on a few good things where common sense and bipartisanship prevailed to make a positive impact.

The House still has several big issues to tackle including the Budget, Transgender “Bathroom Bill,” and more issues with the failed Health Care Exchange Website.

Election Issues
Protecting against voter fraud…

HB 212, Election Law – Statewide Voter Registration List – Removal of Deceased Voters, successfully moved through the House this week. It will expedite the purging of deceased voters from the rolls. The State Board of Elections can now use U.S. Social Security Records to remove deceased individuals from the rolls, leaving behind a time-consuming and cumbersome process. While the bill still needs to clear the Senate, it is on track to improve the integrity of our elections.

There have been a number of documented and prosecuted instances of dead people voting in Maryland. This bill is essential to protect your vote from being canceled out by voter fraud.

This is the last election year that we will use the electronic voting machines. In 2016, Maryland will return to the optical scan voting machines that provide a voter verified paper audit trail. That has been a long fought battle and a slow but great victory.

We all want an open and fair election process.

Speed Cameras
Vote to ban them fails but reforms are passed…

HB 929, Speed Monitoring Systems Reform Act of 2014, passed the House this week. The first action taken on the House floor was to offer an amendment to ban them outright. That failed by 46 to 87. I voted to ban speed cameras. There have been too many problems with the speed cameras and it looks like a program put in place to raise money from tickets and not about safety. If this is about safety, let’s put law enforcement in place.

CLICK HERE TO SEE VOTE

There were other good amendments but none were accepted.

While House Republicans voted to have speed cameras completely eliminated in the State, we need more like minded people to make that happen. HB 929 does reform the program and reform is necessary. This program has been unfair and even challenged in court for the poor administration. HB 929 reforms the way speed cameras operate and gives drivers more protections. The legislation raises the standards for speed camera vendors, ensures investigation of erroneous tickets and tightens the definition of a “school zone.”

Update on Pit Bulls

You might remember the ruling from the courts two years ago that found Pit-bulls to be “inherently dangerous.” This sparked a firestorm of outrage because of the obvious discrimination towards a specific breed. My son and his wife have a Pit-bull and she is a great pet, gentle and sweet. This court decision also left Pit-bull owners worried about potential liabilities from this court decision.

For two years, the leadership in Annapolis has not been able to agree on how to solve this problem. Both the House and Senate have passed bills this week. We will have to wait and see whether the House and Senate can finally reach an agreement. The final bill will remove the discrimination against Pit-bulls and make dog owners responsible if their dog bites someone when unprovoked. The devil is always in the details.

I will update you on this issue once it gets resolved.

Thank you for your continued support and prayers. I am working hard for you and your family.

Kathy

Delegate Kathy Szeliga
Minority Whip, Maryland House of Delegates
kathy.szeliga@house.state.md.us
kathy.szeliga@gmail.com
Annapolis – 410-841-3698
Cell – 443-570-1555

Comments

  1. rjbaskins says

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    • Kharn says

      If Iraq and Afghanistan can figure out that a photo ID and ink are how you prevent voter fraud, why can’t we?

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    • jack Rabbit says

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      • Bigfpot says

        What’s up with these liberal types? Throwing out buzzwords like “intolerance” and using profanity along with other vulgar language to get their point across.

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        • rjbaskins says

          That is the liberal way, if the facts doesn’t meet their agenda, the have to demean the other person. “racist bigot” phrase is right out of their textbook.

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          • Because says

            Ignorance and arrogance cross party lines. To simply label them as liberal denies conservatives are subject to the same arrogant and ignorant behaviors.

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          • jack Rabbit says

            RJ the fact no one is talking minorities or political affiliation but you speaks volumes.

            Now go out and play in the snow this might be you last chance, you’re not getting any younger and you’re gonna be dead a long time enjoy what little you have left.

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      • W.T.F.? says

        I know “jack Rabbit”, and jack Rabbit is not a liberal or a Democrat. In fact, he is quite the opposite. He threw his comment out there to bait the conservative base. Congratulations you duped right-wingers, you fell for his prank! :)

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  2. Privacy Advocate says

    It’s fine to present your photo ID at your doctor’s office or the hospital.

    You should never allow staff to photocopy your license or ID.

    Identity theft occurs at medical offices and hospitals and it’s impossible for a victim to trace down where their private information was stolen.

    If the medical provider wants a photo in your file have them take a picture of you.

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    • Kharn says

      Ever notice that most insurance cards do not have a photo of the insured?
      Requesting photo id is so the office can prove to the insurer that you were actually seen and not some random person who borrowed or stole your card.

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  3. says

    I’m the sponsor of SB 15 Election Law – Statewide Voter Registration List – Removal of Deceased Voters. My bill passed the Senate unanimoulsy and is now in the House where it will have a hearing in the next ten days. We worked closely with the State Board of Elections who whole heartedly supported the legislation. The Senate and the House took this issue very seriously as witnessed by the unanimous vote in both chambers.

    I have introduced many election fraud bills in the past, including voter ID bills, but we have never had the support of democrats so of course they didn’t pass. This bill is a huge step in the right dierection to reduce voter fraud. Hopefully after the election this November the make up of the newly elected House and Senate will be different and they will give additional measures to cut down on voter fraud the attention they really deserve. Until the voters change who is in office we can only expect more of the same. I’m very pleased that I was able to get this measure passed before leaving office.

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    • Al J Thong says

      You will be missed Nancy. Lets just hope that the one that replaces you isn’t guilty of election fraud. One candidate running for your seat doesn’t even live in your district. How could even the most liberal among us allow someone who openly lies about where they live vote upon an election fraud Bill?

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      • Al J Thong says

        Where is Cathy Riley when you need her? She drove a stake into the heart of her opponent’s political career 30 years ago.Now he surfaces like a bad game of “Where’s Waldo” this time trading his fancy sheep farm digs on Harmony Church Road for a spot on the counter next to his copy machine in his downtown Aberdeen office. We are all certainly going to miss you.

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  4. ASK says

    By all appearances, pursuing voter fraud is, at best, a waste of taxpayer money and, at worst, works to unfairly discredit an election process that works well.

    A fairly recent example: SC found in a special investigation “what the State Election Commission had found after preliminarily examining some of the allegations:

    The so-called votes by dead people were the result of clerical errors or mistaken identities.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-case-of-zombie-voters-in-south-carolina/2013/07/24/86de3c64-f403-11e2-aa2e-4088616498b4_blog.html

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    • Dead on Arrival says

      Quit trying to take away our right to vote. If we were citizens and registered to vote when we died, we are still citizens and deserve our equal rights. Where does it say in the Constitution that you have to be alive to vote? Just because we are dead does not mean we lose our equal protection under the laws. :-)

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    • Cdev says

      Interesting read but I am sure that the very people who advocate this is a problem will not read it. Del. Szelliga, please highlight some of the cases of dead people voting you speak of?

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      • Cdev says

        As is the typical response from the delegation in district 7……make a broad sweeping statement with no supporting details and than when pressed for details remain silent and pretend to be victimized! Glad I got redistricted to 34B.

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  5. Concerned Teacher says

    While the removal of dead people from the voter registration rolls is important, it pales in significance to the lack of a photo identification requirement to vote. It is incomprehensible to me that I am required to show photo ID to buy alcohol, write a check, to get medical services, and in some cases to even use my debit card (just to name a few instances), but I am not required to have my identity verified in order to vote. I do not believe it to be racist to require photo ID to vote; in face, I think it is racist NOT to require one. Our legislators should push for this voting reform very loudly every year until it happens.

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    • jack Rabbit says

      I buy alcohol and they never ask for my ID. maybe they think you have a drinking problem and are checking for a restriction Concerned teacher.

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  6. mostly blue says

    ID or lack of one should not be needed at the polls, My right to vote doesn’t depend on some ID document. as it doesn’t determine my nationality or verify my current address if I moved. When you register to vote, you have to prove that you are a live person living in said district. All these attempts are nothing but another tactic to keep people from voting. Some people don’t carry ID because it isn’t a tool to determine your nationality nor does a photo ID really in a full proof manner show that you are the person in the photo (people change their appearance, lose weight, get older, color their hair) and it lacks other identifying information that can be cross referenced with the current voter rolls. In addition, these identity and citizenship tests have been ruled unconstitutional in many instances ( back in the day, minorities had to prove that they could read before they could vote, as an example). Others had to prove that they were of sound mind such as the mentally ill or elderly. it is fine to cross reference data bases so identity errors, death or other means to determine residency in a particular district or locality. I am willing to bet at least in Maryland that the number of people that vote and are dead is pretty small and not really big enough to affect anything. Add to it that it is already a felony to vote when a person doesn’t have the right to vote. Sometimes elderly, homeless and disenfranchised are without ID but their right to vote shouldn’t depend on some arbitrary document that isn’t meant to determine your right to vote. If I don’t have ID, it doesn’t negate the fact that I am a resident since I am registered to vote.

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    • Kharn says

      The only identifying information on the current voter rolls is your current home address and your signature. Both of those are also included on your driver’s license or state identification card. The MVA has clear standards on when adults need to have a new photograph taken for their DL/ID, if the MVA has decided every X years for a new photo is acceptable for adults, it works for voting as well.

      While people can do superficial things to change their appearance, changing the bone structure of the face is much harder (surgery or injury being the primary causes) and less than 1% of the population would be doing it enough to need a new photo annually.

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      • mostly blue says

        I accept some of your responses as valid and as you have a good point. However, the place and time to determine if you should be able to register and be allowed to vote is not at the voting booth! The state has a set of guidelines as to who can and can’t register through the registration process, and not at the booth. This argument to keep people from voting on election day has grown out of desperation from the conservative right to stop people from voting on election day. I am sure that any infringement on your right to bear arms should be as stringent as your right to purchase firearms but somehow, straw sales of weapons are opposed by the gun lobby as impediments to your right to bear arms, by the same reasoning then, I can say that asking someone for id to prove that they are the registered party is also just as cumbersome as no right is more sacred than your right to vote and assemble or at least I think so!

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  7. mostly blue says

    Also, it amazes me that the very same people that want and advocate for a smaller government and get big brother of your back are some of the same that want the government to created barriers for me to marry who I want, want my ID to fulfill my constitutional right to vote and want to test me for anything to deny me public benefits. Are you guys for real? Where are the real Libertarians??? The Tea Party and Campaign for Liberty have damaged the Republican and Libertarian brand to a point in which an American citizen will have to prove to the government that we the people derive our power from said government. You guys are call yourselves true conservatives need to stop and think about what you want. Do you want government asking you for your ID every time you walk outside and do/go about your daily life?

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    • Ben says

      It is more libertarian or conservative to continue to allow dead people to vote? People to vote multiple times?

      Is it more a violation of your right to vote to require proof of identity, or to make your vote null and void through fraud.

      No different then drug tests for those accepting money confiscated from the taxpayer and redistributed. Protect the liberal vote at all costs.

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      • mostly blue says

        By the same reasoning then sales of guns at gun shows and straw sales should be outlawed since they don’t require the same level of background information as a regulated sale through a licensed broker. Staying on the gun argument—should the state question your right to bear arms when you are hunting?? It would be the same for the state to ask for your ID at the voting booth. You guys like your stringent requirements to keep people from voting their Constitutional right but they will have to pry your gun from your cold dead fingers??? It is amazing to me the stupidity and lack of reasoning shown on this argument. What part of your ID is listed on the Constitution as being required from me to VOTE. We already know that the state can verify your identity at REGISTRATION.

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        • Captain America says

          We all know that that it is constitutional and accepted to have reasonable safeguards in place for the execution of our constitutional rights. Examples include gun purchase background checks; prohibitions against libel, yelling fire in a theater, or possessing kiddie porn; and requiring a permit to have a parade on a public street.

          Some of us think that it is also reasonable to require a photo ID to ensure the validity and accuracy of our elections. That’s it- no one is having any rights withheld or infringed.

          Why do you think this is stupid? Obviously you disagree with voter ID, but why call other people stupid for not agreeing with you? You clearly have a strong opinion… why not explain WHY it is unreasonable to ask for voters to present an ID at the polling place?

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          • mostly blue says

            Capitan— Reasonable steps should be taken when registering to vote. It would be unreasonable to ask for ID on election day and while at the booth. It would interfere with your right to vote as much as asking for your ID before you go to the shooting range or when going hunting.

            If you know your name, address, date of birth and your voting district then you have enough corroborating information. In addition, it is already a felony to vote under false identity and quite frankly, voter fraud can be prevented during the registration process without disruption on election day. By the way, even if you go to the wrong district, you can vote still and it will be held for further review as are mailed in votes of absentee votes which are counted and verified vs. the registration data base. If someone can vote by mail, they how do you know who voted? What about soldiers overseas? Your barrier to voting is nothing more than just a barrier to voting..

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          • Mike Welsh says

            Other states ask for ID to vote. They seem to get along just fine and no one is hindered from voting. Why would showing ID at the voting location in Maryland be an unreasonable action?

            I am not supporting showing your ID, but I fail to see how that would be an unreasonable requirement.

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          • well... says

            I’m not intentionally trying to be dense, but I fail to understand the logic behind “Reasonable steps should be taken when registering to vote.” How does this extend to election day? Reasonable steps may indeed have been taken, but the one that registered is now dead and someone who knows that is using their identity to cast a second vote. Unless the roles are kept in order – remember, we’re talking about the government – this can and will continue… and most likely increase. ID is required to drive… is legitimate fraud free voting somehow less important than driving?

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          • Cdev says

            ID will not stop dead people from voting. Plain as day the dead person requests an absentee ballott and the fraudulent voter casts it from the saftey of their home. Done. Vote 10 times that way. No ID law will stop that. Even Arkansas requiring an ID with the ballott will not verify they cast the ballott and when Arkansas did that in a local election recently %20 of voters had their vote DQ’d because they didn’t include an ID. You want a picture…..when you register they should take a digital picture. No ID required. Laws like this would be fine but most of the laws passed in the last few years, like PA’s, were implicitly passed to stop people from voting.

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          • Kharn says

            But that digital picture won’t solve the absentee ballot problem. That is why absentee ballots should require notarization.

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  8. Captain America says

    The government has a responsibility to ensure that elections are fair, legal, and accurate. This is built into the constitutional requirement to “hold elections.” Requiring voters to prove that they are who they say they are is not an unreasonable burden.

    We already require photo ID for people to exercise their 2nd amendment right to purchase a firearm. They also have to undergo background checks and waiting periods to exercise that constitutional right. Why? Because the country has determined that it is important to prevent felons and other bad people from exercising that right. The burden of a background check and an ID check was deemed to be an adequate implementation of that constitutional right.

    The country should also determine that it is important to ensure a fair election process by requiring voters to positively identify themselves.

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    • jack Rabbit says

      You have to show ID to register to vote just like you have to show ID to buy a gun. You don’t need to show ID every time you shoot that gun nor should you when every time you vote. If your going to make a legitimate argument, at least think it through.

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      • Captain America says

        OK, so if it is not overly burdensome to show ID to register to vote, why is it overly burdensome to show it at the polling place?

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          • well... says

            Actually, not at all if it removes a stumbling block towards the goal of fraud free elections… I always have ID. I suppose if I didn’t want anyone to know who I am I might not carry it… hmmm… anyway, I think we’re all missing the real point – how do the undead tend to vote in Maryland? The parties need to get out and rock the undead vote… maybe pay more attention to zombie issues in general and help the poor undead out. I think more campaigning in cemeteries is in order… maybe proper closed captioning in campaign commercials… aaarrrrrgghhhh bbboooowwwlkkkkeeerrr… lets get out there and round up the dead vote people!!

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          • Dead on Arrival says

            At Well,

            Now thats what I’m talking about. More campaigning in the cemeteries. Especially those campaign parties that have food and drink. Those of us who are dead are growing tired of being taken for granted.

            One of the great advantages of being dead is that I can vote in most any election in any state that does not have the photo ID requirement. Not only do I vote in Maryland, but several other states. Having to show a photo ID would mean I would always have to vote absentee and you know, once they get ID requirements for voting in person they will figure out the the absentee ballots are next.

            This country is losing all respect for those of us who are dead. Our heirs have taken everything we had when we died, and now some people want to take away our vote. This country is just going to hell!!

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    • Cdev says

      Where in the Constitution does it have a requirement to hold elections? That is a state responsibility.

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      • Captain America says

        Article 1 states that there will be elections for congress, and it describes the terms for members of congress. It does also state that the timing, method, etc are to be determined by the states. Section 4 of Article 1 requires that these elections happen. It also grants Congress the power to pass laws governing these elections.

        Still- I am not trying to be difficult. I really don’t understand how someone can say that requiring an ID to vote is an infringement of their rights when they are required to show an ID to register, or to see a doctor, or get a drink, or go to work (sometimes), or to attend an anti-voter ID rally, or to use a credit card, etc etc etc.

        If you are going to make the effort to exercise your responsibility to vote, I would think you would want to know that they have taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy of the election. Giving them a name and an address and a signature just doesn’t seem like much of an identity verification to me.

        Maybe we should use the purple ink finger method like they do in Iraq?

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        • Because says

          As an aside, there are some here that oppose the use of an ID to enable them to charge to their credit card. I have taken to writing “Ask for ID” in the signature block. Credit card fraud is real, the ability to pass off another person’s credit card is easy with a human cashier and even more so with the labor saving self check out counter.

          I think I have decided to favor Voter ID. Now if we can just agree to increased background check for gun purchases we’ll be all set.

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          • Arturro Nasney says

            I believe we must be very close to the second coming! Because and I agree on something.

            Have you ever noticed the people standing behind the election judges, marking something on a clip board? They serve several purposes but the most common one is to see who has not voted. They usually represent some union or other organization which has a vested interest in th eoutcome of an election. If any names on their list have not come to vote yet they can then go out to that person and get him or her to the polls. These same folks can also find someone to “represent” the absent/dead person and create votes that are positive for the group represented. This has always happened in Chicago and New York but has begun to happen here in Harford as well.

            Requiring a picture ID puts a stop to the latter practice. Someone please tell me how the NAACP, AARP, etc can find the ID requirement to be racist.

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          • Kharn says

            And inked fingers mean that if someone manages to defeat the identification system (such as with a quickly created fraudulent id from a supposed employer), each participant in the conspiracy can only vote once.

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          • Kharn says

            Because,
            You do know that any credit card with “ask for id” (or any variant of that) is supposed to be rejected by the merchant, right? If the card is not signed with the authorized user’s signature, the user must show identification and sign the card before the merchant should accept it. The merchant agreement also states that the merchant is not supposed to ask for ID (as fraud is the card issuer’s problem and not the merchant’s) to either verify the face or signature of the authorized user if the card is already signed.

            But then, chip & pin is gradually making its way to the US (in late 2015, merchants will become responsible for fraudulent charges if chip & pin is not used for the transaction), greatly decreasing the incidents of in-person debit/credit card fraud.

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          • Because says

            No. Didn’t know that. And I have never been told that by any merchant. So I’m dubious about your understanding of this. And what practical difference does my signature make when a young uses the card to buy merchandise with a clearly male name on the front?

            I’m trying to be pro-active about protecting myself. Your knowledge defies my logic.

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          • Kharn says

            Because,
            I have managed the card terminal/account as part of my job duties. Most cashiers will just ignore it, but it is against their employer’s agreement with the processing company and can get your merchant account revoked.

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          • Because says

            Well if it’s all the same to you, I will continue to do what I do to preclude credit card fraud. The same young lady committed three acts of credit card fraud against me last year and is facing jury trial for her transgressions.

            Doing nothing seems stupid, regardless of the merchant – card issuer agreement,

            We all pay for it in the end whether the culprits are prosecuted or not.

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      • Cdev says

        Not all people showed an ID to register. Some people registered long time before ID was required. Asking for ID does not solve the voter fraud problem as most voter fraud happens via absentee ballot. Second voter ID laws would be fine but many of them are designed to hinder people from actually voting. There are a few which on their face are perfectly fine, Than there are those which are designed for failure.

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        • Kharn says

          Then we should require absentee ballot submissions either be in person at the Board of Election or notarized to verify identity if the voter must send it by mail.

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          • Cdev says

            That would eliminate the purpose of absentee ballotts. Can a solider leave a combat zone to cast his/her ballott. Can great grandma leave the assisted living facility? What if you can’t afford to get it notorized?

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          • Mike Welsh says

            A solider does not have to leave a combat zone to cast a ballot. The US military has notary service available to their service personnel. US military personnel also have photo ID, which they have to produce for many of the services provided by the military. I never paid to have anything notarized while I was in the military.

            Assisted living facilities have notary service for their residents. There is no need for grandma to leave.

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          • Mike Welsh says

            Even our prisoners in the HCDC can vote. There is notary service available to them even while they are in jail. They also have photo ID!

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          • Cdev says

            Well Kharn as long as we make arrangements than for US Citizens traveling or living abroad you have a workable solution. Don’t make getting a free ID a hassle and accept a wide variety of them and good to go. Unfortunately most states don’t do that!

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          • Kharn says

            US counsulates provide notary services to Americans abroad. Those that choose to live outside the US accept that there will be some hardships they must endure in order to exercise their right to vote, even if that means traveling to another area to utilize necessary services.

            The reason the list of accepted IDs is kept short is because each potential ID adds the possibility of fraud (especially when you accept company or school IDs). A poll worker can’t be expected to know the fraud features in each of the potential IDs you would like them to accept. Limiting it to a passport (with a utility bill to prove address), driver’s license or state id card provides only three (really, two, because a DL and ID card are almost identical) sets of authentication features the worker must know. Other states have given out free state ids for voting purposes, we could do the same.

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          • Cdev says

            Don’t get me wrong I think you are attempting to be honest unlike some who are intereted in disenfranchising certyian voters.
            If the point of the ID is to verify who you are why should I need a bill to go with my passport? What if I rent an apartment with utilities included, live in a dorm or a homeless shelter?

            Free State ID’s are great if done right. SC I believe did but when Texas made them availible only at certian DMV’s and not the ones in the poor areas or PA only made them availible on 5th Wednesday’s of a month from limited mid day hours that is meant to keep people from voting!

            I still think allowing voters to submit a picture with registration which could be digitally stored would be worthwhile.

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          • Kharn says

            The utility bill is to prove you are a legitimate resident in the district in which you’re attempting to vote. Otherwise you’ll have people in “safe” districts going to nearby contested districts to vote for their favored candidate.

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          • Cdev says

            How is that? You take care of that when you register to vote. You can’t just change your district to vote on election day!

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          • Cdev says

            On their liscence or voter registration? They send you a card reminding you of your voter registration.

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  9. Cdev says

    Since ID’s usually do not apply to absentee ballotts and most dead people vote that way……ID would do nothing to solve the problem!

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  10. mostly blue says

    States that require a state issue ID must provide it for free for all eligible voters. Some states accept other forms of ID. In total only 9 states require a photo ID, clearly most states don’t see a need to add an extra responsibility on voting day. I still believe despite some good points here that requiring ID is nothing but an attempt to reduce public turnout at the polls and not so much to prevent fraud as it has been already noted that other ways of voting are actually more prone to misuse than showing up at the polls to vote under someone else’s name.

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    • B says

      So you are ok with election fraud and would rather do nothing about it?

      No one said anything about reducing turnout. That is the argument of those who have something to gain by gaming the system.

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      • cdev says

        Many sponsors of bills for ID do in fact say the goal is to reduce turnout of certian groups of voters whom have every right to vote. The sponsor of the PA bill specificlly said his bill was an attempt to reduce voter turnout in PA for democrats!!!!!!!

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        • Kharn says

          Political party affiliation isn’t a protected class.
          If he’d said it was to reduce black, gay, native American, etc, turn-out, that would be wrong.

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          • Cdev says

            never said it was a protected class. But it is wrong PERIOD to attempt to keep any person from voting, who is entitled to do so, by putting up obstacles to them doing so simply because you do not like the way they might vote. Hence my statement. Would it be OK with you if the MD general assembly required a special ID card for voting but only allowed you to obtain them in Baltimore City, PG County, Charles County and Montgomery County?

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          • Mike Welsh says

            Requiring voter photo ID will decrease voter turnout. However, it will not reduce voter turnout for those who would have otherwise been legitimately authorized to vote.

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          • mostly blue says

            A badge of honor my friend, when you can’t beaten them with facts and reason just resort to name calling. Typical tea party tactic…

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          • Bluto says

            Can’t “beaten them with facts” is parallel to your inability to use objective and correct thinking.

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  11. mostly blue says

    Maryland requires state ID or last 4 of your SS# and proof of local address when you register. If you don’t have proof or residence, one can bring it to the poll prior to voting. I would like the Senator to show some transparency and actually give us a number of illegal votes (estimate or approximate ) by way of identity fraud… a number of cases could be one, a few or more!

    I have a feeling this guy is just posturing to his crowd and make something huge out of something smaller than what it actually happens. I suppose he would have us believe that the Republican party actually has a chance to win any state office.

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  12. mostly blue says

    What do you care why I reply to any post?

    I post under mostly blue, I believe CDEV has been posting under his handle for quite some time now. I don’t need to use anyone’s identity to comment. I do feel like the conservative posters here tend to be rather insulting from time to time….

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