Tired of watching the unstemmed blood flowing from Edgewood? So too are a contingent of elected officials who let loose this week with a flood of proposed legislation, millions of dollars in federal funding and renewed resolve to wash Edgewood and Harford County clean of its gang infestation.
But can this latest attempt to flush out Edgewood’s growing number of Bloods and Crips, of which the state now says there are more than 300 members in Harford County, succeed where so many others have failed (see: Harford County Sheriff’s Office Southern Precinct, Guardian Angels patrol, Community Watch program, State Police Activity League Center, etc)?
A series of eight separate bills introduced within the last week by state Sen. Nancy Jacobs aim to hit gangs where it hurts – seizing their property, charging their young members as adults rather than juveniles and stretching out the sentences of gang members convicted of crimes – while a new Gang Elimination Task Force, created with nearly $3 million in federal funding, was also announced this week.
The tone of the week was set early when, in his State of the County address to the Harford County Council on Tuesday, Harford County Executive David Craig used his strongest language to date, condemning gangs and vowing to clean up gangs in Edgewood and beyond.
1) Public Safety – “Ensuring a Safe Harford” – We will work to ensure Harford County’s public safety providers have the necessary tools and training to meet the County’s growing demand for emergency services in the 21st century.
With this in mind, law enforcement and the community must work diligently and cooperatively to reduce crime, the proliferation of gang membership and illegal drug activities in our neighborhoods.
Foremost among them is Edgewood. We must stop the violence, the bloodshed, the killing of our citizens, particularly our youth, in our streets and neighborhoods. For if we fail in Edgewood, all of Harford fails. We are all part of the same greater community – Harford County.
It is unfortunate that a small number of despicable criminals are ruining the lives of law abiding citizens in Edgewood and other areas in our county.
Let me make this perfectly clear, criminals are not welcome in Harford County and we will not stop, we will not be deterred and we will not fail in our efforts to rid the county of this cancer.
About a week prior, on Jan. 25, Craig appeared with Congressman C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, Governor Martin O’Malley, Harford County Sheriff Jesse Bane and County Councilman Dion Guthrie at the Edgewood Community and Recreation Center, just a few blocks away from Ground Zero Gangland, to unveil a new Gang Elimination Task Force.
The Task Force, funded by $2.8 million in federal dollars will work with local communities to identify gang members, curb gang recruitment and assist prosecutors and law enforcement officials in the arrest and prosecution of offenders.
In addition, the Task Force will serve as a comprehensive database for all gang-related intelligence gathered by law enforcement entities across many states along the East Coast. The information will be shared between authorities in Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, the District of Columbia and North Carolina. The Task Force will also have access to national real-time intelligence that tracks critical information about gang members across the entire country.
“Gang violence is not limited to individual areas; it is a pervasive problem that knows no state borders”, Craig said at the event.
Sen. Jacobs, who has been trying each of the last few years to make life harder for gang members by introducing new legislation in Annapolis, has seen her efforts undermined by fellow lawmakers who have taken the bite out of her bills. Past experience aside, that didn’t stop Jacobs from introducing a eight different gang-related bills into the Maryland General Assembly within the last week.
Here’s a rundown of each of Jacobs’ bills with a short synopsis:
SENATE BILL 633: Criminal Law – Property Used in Gang Activity – Seizure and Forfeiture
Authorizing the seizure of specified property used or intended for use in connection with criminal gang activity; establishing procedures to be followed for the forfeiture of specified property; etc.
SENATE BILL 634: Criminal Law – Gang Activity – Jurisdiction over Juvenile Offenders
Excluding from the jurisdiction of juvenile court a child at least 16 years old who is alleged to have committed, as a member of a criminal gang, a specified act that would be a crime if committed by an adult; and providing for the application of the Act.
SENATE BILL 635: Real Property – Criminal Gangs – Abatement of Nuisance
Establishing that the use of property by members of a criminal gang in the furtherance of specified criminal gang activity is a nuisance that may be the subject of an action for abatement.
SENATE BILL 636: Criminal Law – Definition of “Criminal Gang”
Altering the definition of “criminal gang” to include any association of 3 or more persons meeting specified criteria.
SENATE BILL 637: Criminal Law – Criminal Gang Participation – Sentencing
Altering a provision of law to require that a specified sentence for a violation of the prohibition against participation in a criminal gang under specified conditions be separate from and consecutive to a sentence for the underlying crime.
SENATE BILL 639: Courts – Evidence – Existence of or Membership in a Criminal Gang
Establishing that specified evidence is probative of the existence of or membership in a criminal gang; and authorizing the admissibility of specified evidence in a civil or criminal proceeding to prove the existence of or membership in a criminal gang.
SENATE BILL 640: Criminal Law – Criminal Gangs – Underlying Crime
Altering the definition of “underlying crime” for purposes of specified criminal gang offenses to add misdemeanor assaults, malicious destruction, human trafficking, receiving earnings of a prostitute, and betting, wagering, and gambling.
SENATE BILL 641: Criminal Gang Activity – Financial Transactions – Penalty
Prohibiting a person from receiving specified proceeds and using or investing $10,000 or more of those proceeds in the acquisition of specified property or establishment or operation of a criminal gang; prohibiting a person from directly acquiring, maintaining an interest in, or asserting control of a criminal gang through a pattern of criminal gang activity; prohibiting a person from engaging in a money transmission with specified proceeds; establishing specified penalties; etc.
In brief, the Jacobs bills would essentially:
– Prohibit people from knowingly receiving proceeds or profit from someone associated with criminal gang activity.
– Alter the definition of a criminal gang so its members can still be considered to have an ongoing association with the gang even while in court.
– Add offenses like malicious destruction, prostitution, misdemeanor second degree assault and gambling to the list of underlying crimes for criminal gang offenses.
– Add the newly created gang statue to the list of offenses for which a juvenile court does not have automatic jurisdiction over. So, juveniles 16 years of age or older would be considered adults first for the purposes of arrest and prosecution before they are considered for waiver to be tried as a juvenile.
– Change the sentencing guidelines from concurrent to consecutive.
– Expand the definition of a gang to include a common name, insignia, flag or means of recognition; common identifying hand or body signs, signals or codes; common identifying mode, style or color or dress; identifying tattoo or body marking; qualification or characteristic of membership such as age or ethnicity; creed or belief; overt or covert organization or command structural; de facto claim of territory or jurisdiction; initiation rituals; concentration or specialty of criminal activity; and method of operation or criminal enterprise.
– Give prosecutors the ability to charge property owners who knowingly allow gangs to use their property for the purposes of participating in criminal activity.
And for those who live in comfortable homes far, far away from bloodstained Edgewood and still doubt that gangs have migrated out of inner-city Baltimore and into bucolic Harford County, consider the following state report on gangs in Maryland, which indicates there may be more than 300 gang members in Harford County, about two-thirds of which are Bloods and the remaining one-third are Crips.
Harford County is located northeast of Baltimore City and is immediately adjacent to Baltimore and Cecil counties. According to the 2000 census, the population is approximately 218,000 in primarily suburban and rural areas. Interstate 95 and Route 40 run through the county providing easy access for gangs and drug trafficking from Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York. Most gang activity is concentrated in less expensive, affordable housing areas along the Route 40 corridor in Edgewood, Aberdeen, and Havre de Grace.
The majority of street gangs is associated with either the Bloods or the Crips and is African American. Both the Bloods and the Crips are organized in two or three sets. Approximately 200+ total members of the Bloods and 90+ members of the Crips are in Harford County. A few local gangs are not associated with either the Bloods or Crips and have limited membership.
Gang membership is very fluid, with a constant flow of individuals both joining and leaving the gang, especially as gang members move in and out of neighborhoods. The total amount of gang crime is probably modest and includes local drug sales, robbery and burglary, and assaults within and between gang members. The Bloods and Crips are typically competitive, rival gangs whose interactions often result in violence. Often, those trying to be accepted as members are most violent. Initiation into a gang often requires new members to commit a crime to prove that they are not cops and to demonstrate their commitment to the gang. New members may also be beaten to demonstrate their courage and required to bring something of value to the gang. In December 2004, a Harford County cab driver, Derald Howard Guess, was killed. According to a January 16, 2005 Baltimore Sun article, police have tied the killing to a possible gang-initiation rite. Gangs have been associated with several other murders and shootings in the County.
In the housing complexes where these gangs are active, there is considerable evidence of links with Blood and Crips members from New Jersey, New York, and Baltimore. Some families move from NJ/NY to get away from gang activity. Unfortunately, they end up bringing youth who identify themselves with the gangs to Harford County. Other gang members joined the gangs while they were in the Harford County detention center and then continued their gang involvement when they were released. While there are links with gangs from outside Harford County, the gangs are primarily local youth and their criminal activity is locally controlled.
The Latino population in the county is very low, but there are Latinos working in construction and landscape crews. Police are concerned that this might enable Latino gangs, especially Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), to gain a foothold in the county, but there is no evidence of this as of yet.
A small number of Caucasians are active in Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs (OMG), especially the Hell’s Angels. Hells’ Angels and the Pagans, as well as non-OMG motorcycle gangs, travel through and stop in Harford County at restaurants or bars. Hell’s Angels are trying to establish their dominance in the area and this is leading to conflict with the Pagans. This is an emerging threat in Harford County. The greatest concerns are a possible emergence of a methamphetamine problem or violence growing out of the competition between the Hell’s Angels and the Pagans.
Harford County public schools have worked hard to limit gang involvement and gang conflict in the schools. A dress code was introduced to help eliminate the wearing of gang colors or symbols. If there are any incidents that are gang related, school authorities respond promptly and will use school suspensions, if necessary.
If a parent is concerned about a child who shows signs of potentially being involved with gangs, the first resource is the child’s school counselor or pupil personnel worker. For a list of school telephone numbers, please consult list of schools.
I attended the “Gang Summit” held last November, sponsored by the Sheriff’s Department. At first glance, it looked to be fairly well-attended for a Saturday near the beginning of the holiday season. Turns out, about half the audience were members of the Sheriff’s agency getting paid overtime to be there. After a motivational (boring, semi-literate, well-paid) speaker and a proclamation by Sheriff Bane regarding some grant money, the crowd was broken down into sub-groups, each group given a topic. The groups were to identify problems and come up with solutions regarding their topic. I believe I signed up for “youth services” or something along those lines. The group was very diverse–a judge, social worker, a guardian angel, community activists, several members of the clergy, a few deputies–but the first thought that occurred to me was–where are the parents? The teenagers? Out Chrismas shopping I guess. The discussions were interesting but nothing that hasn’t already been discussed before ad nauseum. On the 2nd day of the 2 day summit, the subgroups presented their findings via power point presentations. All well and good, but again, who is seeing this other than those who have already seen the same thing a dozen times over? It was then announced by Sheriff Bane that he was going to approach The Harford County Council with the findings from the “Gang Summit” and request that the Council amend the County Charter to create a permanent commission for gangs. OK, am I the only one here who is sick and tired of this bureaucratic nonsense? Wow, the Sheriff has a “gang summit”. Big name for nothing. David Craig, in his State of the County address, proclaims that “gang members are not welcome here”. Roll up the welcome mat. In the meantime, people are still getting shot–most recently a pizza delivery man–3 months after the “summit” and the week of the “address”. I’m sure more committees, summits, meetings, work groups, initiatives, etc. are in the works even as the gangs make their way up the Rt. 24 corridor to Seasons at Bel Air apartments.
mommiedearest
you are so right’ I attended some drug seminar’s in aberdeen in the low income areas of aberdeen. I’am not saying’ the officers were not sincere.but what was ironic were the very people who attended were selling drug’s.
and adviseing the officers how best to combat the problem.
and they were the problem.
low income houseing create’s a paradise of crime activity. 90% percent of the parent’s do not know where there children are& don’t care. reduce this type of houseing and watch the reduction of crime. edgewood is a pretty area let’s get it back.
Mommiedearest and Viet Nam Vet are both very correct. In my limited experience the polices and governments are very limited in what they can do. We had a very aggressive anti gang and anti drug program in Aberdeen. The problem is that the agencies under our control could only attack the supply side of the problem. The user remains and is still addicted or stupid when all is said and done. That is where the community comes in. If folk are willing to let a couple of teens in baggy clothes hang around and do their business while complaining about the lack of police enforcement the problem will never be solved. The Churches, the nonprofit social groups and the communities at large have to take over and first make the neighborhood unfriendly to strangers. They must then take the users one by one and get them cured. Government can not do that part. The sheriff means well and Jessy Bane truly wants to clear us of gangs and murders and drugs, but is powerless as long as political correctness is the first rule. The interesting thing about warfare is that you have to dehumanize the enemy in order to take extreme action. Calling the gang members and drug pushers people is the first mistake. Cal them vermin or cockroaches or some other horribly demeaning name and then EXTERMINATE them. Busting heads, confiscating everything they have and roughing them up is the only way to make them move to the next apartment.
Semper Fi and Gary Owen!
gary’ owen & semper -fi.
these ”gang’s” have a safe haven. in the subsidized houseing unit’s the parent’ or parent’s are on welfare. the kid’s are left to there own devices.there was a remark made defending section 8 houseing. there are other program’s as well’
get tough on the land lord’s. a once a year inspection is done on section 8 property’ it simply determines the condition of the houseing
supposedy item’s are looked for that should not be there. for example men’s clotheing. theres no man liveing here. I’am on welfare. you wanna bet. any crime commited by a juvenile on said property’ should be automatic suspension from the program. a soft approach will be taken for just what it is. I admit I was hard on s fred but he was heading in the wrong’ direction. edgewood first. then perry wood garden’s
Nice article.
All this additional money is great, but I hope all we don’t see are nice, safe, and comfortable positions for a few office workers to add data into a computer. While data bases of criminal information is useful, nothing beats the old fashioned approach of ‘boots on the ground’. An aggressive posture toward gangs may initially bring in a few discourtesy complaints, but the overall result of eliminating gang activity would be achieved more efficiently. Then any data collected can be added, more accurately I might add, after the arrests have taken place.
Although the “Aberdeen Model” was controversial, it was and remains highly effective. Criminals, gang members included, do not fear the police any longer. They know that if they file frivolous complaints, the police will go away.
I may be wrong here, I’m not an expert. But I believe the best approach to any community based policing effort is arresting criminals that harass the community. The best way to arrest criminals is to have police in the community where the crimes are being reported. Not on a part-time basis, but around the clock coverage.
I am not in anyway trying to say that the Sheriff’s Office is not doing a fine job. I do not have any knowledge of their programs or operations and I do not live in Edgewood. I am merely offering my assessment of the situation. Whether you agree with my approach or not is fine, but I think everyone can agree that the violence in Edgewood is truly a Harford County problem.
The problem has been brewing for years and for years the sheriff (circa pre Meadows/ Meadow’s first term) has worried about political correctness versus doing what it takes to get the job done. The “major” law enforcement entity in Harford County has failed for years to effectively and proactively enforce laws. Intelligence work has been shabby at best, not just with Crips and Bloods but other gangs/ organizations that have posed a threat in Harford county from outlaw motorcycle groups to Baltimore City possees that were displaced with the destruction of low income housing. 20 years of “hug-a-thug” in what was once a conservative county has allowed the chickens to come home to roost. For years, representatives of the Sheriff’s Department DENIED the existance of organized criminal enterprises in Harford County and all of the sudden BAM we (Harford County) are gang central. It’s about money, if you have a gang problem you can get grant money. I think that it’s pathetic that grant money is what it took for the county to admit it’s problem. Kind of like paying an alcoholic to go to a meeting and admit being an alcoholic.
The gang problem is an infection and an infection does not set in over night, it festers over time. It has festered in several areas of this state for a long time, but you can’t be p/c and proactive at the same time. Much easier to be p/c. If you are proactive then you challenge gang members or those making the gang wear fashion statement, a majority being African-American youth. If you challenge the African-American at risk youth then you are tagged racist in your actions and the next thing that you know Al, Jesse, and Rocca are pounding down the door (2 of them with hands out because money shakedowns are their specialty), not to mention, going against the Maryland grain. Eight years of Glendening rule in Annapolis certainly helped the problem fester.
There are solutions, quick and long term, but they are things that liberals don’t want to hear (something liberals fear much like the truth), there are solutions that western Harford County residents don’t want to talk about because the perception will be that this is a dangerous county, and there are solutions, within the scope of the Constitution, that will certainly place the spotlight on Harford County. (The only thing worse than being racist is failing to act for fear of being called racist)
Solutions in Harford County should have been in place years ago but the commanders in criminal enforcement didn’t take the agency in that direction and now it’s too late, too late for the victims and their families, too late for peace of mind, and too late for some good cops that were handcuffed by politics in their early careers. Just think, Jesse Bane had a good 20 years in command positions where he could have addressed the growing problem and did nothing and now all of the sudden, as sheriff, he’s the saving grace…..WOW……..hope just dwindled a little with that revelation.
As for the Senate Bills, look great and sound great, but getting them passed into law means watering them down greatly and then they sit on the books collecting dust with other laws that liberal judges wish would just go away.
Ok. I’ve gotta throw this in there:
IF we really want to address the “consumer” side of the drug trade, we need to provide rehab to people who want to get clean. Ashley is- at my last check $16+ Gs for 26 days. Phoenix runs about $7 G’s for a month. I personally know of many young people, who work, support themselves, have NO health insurance and desperately want help. Outpatient services- which are not very successful- cost $80 a week./$320 a month. Unless you have $0 income, even health dept services are costly- for a person who makes$11000 a year they can run about $50 a week. You do the math. Lots of these people are barely making their rent. And yes, they can only afford low income housing. There is the user side. SOLUTION? Without customers businesses go belly up and there is no lucative trade or reason for being.
If you have seen what I have seen, most users come to a place where they hate what they do and who they are. They despise spending every free hour finding a fix. But without it they are desperately sick. The ER will not help unless they are suicidal , even then the stay is short and only a temporary stop gap- and I am sure the bill is paid by us. Over and over again.
Rich people and those lucky enough to have decent insurance – or the few who get a freebie from Dr. Phil- can escape this horrible life.
Our country, state and county have spent piles of money on the ” War Against Drugs”- sorry, but talk , flyers and bumper stickers are never gonna cut it.
Treatment needs to be available for anyone who wants it. Otherwise, the drug problem and the gang problem will persist. Where there is a will there is a way. And for those of you who scoff at these ‘lowlifes”, just remember that there but for the grace of God may go someone you love, maybe even your child- drug and alchohol addiction is an equal opportunity disease.
we can’t blame it all on drug’s. it’s a choice one make’s being a teenager is no excuse. there on it’ get off the best way you can. they come from all walk’s of life rich & poor
there drifting in from essex phila baltimore jersey etc. and they will keep comeing as long as we show a weakness, to support frivoulis accusations made against our police.
no father figure and mommy’ is to busy to care. or expecting a third or 4 child plus the fact they delay, the mandantory schooling required for welfare recipent’s. harford county is lagging behind in every aspect of self help. why work when it’s free! the law ( hud) say’s I can register my visitor for a week. he or she can leave the following monday’ and come back again again and again. it might even be a man that actually work’s! wow double dipping. welfare food stamp’s & and a paycheck. and a 365 day payed vacation on the tax payers back. it’s time harford county woke up and put a stop to and all to easy life. and idle mind is the work of the devil.
as a second thought’ you can see the similarity’s in this situation compareing them to president truman, who stopped the war in japan
but was totally frightened of china & escalation of the war.
the vietnam war. president johnson sat on his hand’s terrified of russia & china again escalation continued.while american boy’s. died yes boy’s 18 & 19 years given no chance to win. but we can win this & take the neighbor hood’s back. by supporting our police. reporting crime etc. the police need our support !
Yensen,
What aggressive anit-drug and anti-gang programs are you refering to. Taking two or three officers and turning them loose in an arena they have no clue about doesn’t constitute a “program”.
I’d like to read your explaination.
Mac,
I agree that boots on the groung are good, but information is they key.
Boots on the ground pick off one here and there and they are replaced by the many latch-key kids in Aberdeen or anywhere else for that matter. Attrition in that manner is inefficient and wastes the efforts and resources of the community.
Law enforcement needs to identify recruiters and top level players by means of infiltration, credible sources and good investigations. Arrests and convction then will dismantle the organization and boots on the ground can clean up the scraps.
Let politicians, community groups and parents worry about the social issues and alternatives for youth.
Eight years ago tips began flowing in about a guy recruiting at the Aberdeen high school for the CRIP set. A certain officer follwed these tips and identified the recruiter who turned out to be a HOOVER ST CRIP. This person was doing all the things that a recruiter does…going to the high school, library and even worked in a fast food joint frequented by youth. Call a duck a duck.
The information was passed to the administration of the Aberdeen Police Department, but the response was denial…AW they’re just wanna be’s!
The momentm of that individual continued with no active intervention of the Aberdeen Police and even at one point a certain officer even confiscated a hand written book of the CRIP BIBLE from an individual during his one man crusade against them, but still they’re just wanna be’s.
Today in Aberdeen there still is NO gang strategy, policy or budget to combat their crimes…just one school resource officer trained in the GREAT program.
Moral of the story…Administrators who have no training in GANGS making decisions contrary to the knowledge of their subordinates.
Ignorance is bliss.
Just another random fact thrown out there by a guy who is a [edited by admin – no personal insults]. And no I won’t even think about answering any of your questions.
I have to agree’ with punisher. bel air high school was begining to have a major drug problem. in the early’ 70’s I approached the school authority’s & was told to shut up.
mexican modes was a store who was selling drug’s, bong’s etc he could be found on the premise’s. at 3:30 peddling dope.
useing the portables as a drop after hours. well I did’nt shut up and continued makeing contact with the bel air police department.
the drug inforcement office, of the state police was located in the fallston state police basement. ( benson)
2 school burglary’s were solved. one in bel air high. one in aberdeen. ( band equipment was recovered) the rte #40 rapist was caught by tip’s turned in locally do you’ know what type of thank you the officers, recieved ? a reprimand from higher authority. and I lost my job. got involded in child molesting case here in aberdeen. being the only’ witness to the man being on the premises.he was convicted of molesting 2 children. sing like a canary’ you bet. had 2 children of my own. one being a little girl. you know what’ he returned to aberdeen after doing his time. and then threatend to kill me & my family’ the police say no crime he has commited. he has’nt shot you yet. there would have been a crime my shot gun was ready. punisher is right’ see it report it.and inside contact’s are very valuable.
It’s nice that a problem is recognized, but all of these efforts are utterly and tragically futile.
Cops have getting tough with crips and bloods since they started in LA. Why would zero tolerance suddenly work in Edgewood.
Gotta love the Latino racism at the end of the gang report. Yes, Latinos are in construction and lawn crews. Cogent analysis there.
Yensan,
you profess to be the “religious” man? your insults just continue to show everyone who you really are. question is, just who do you think you are?
again I agree with mac & punisher. it’s a fad, there wanna be’s. the point is there growing in force.and now it’s become a problem. as punisher noticed 8 year’s ago trouble, was brewing. nothing was done. no follow up’s. a let be who care’s attitude
mommy’s baby’s are home in bed. the men in the field are in the know and should be listened to. and allowed to investagate further to gain evidence to support there belief’s.
welcome to aberdeen. and don’t forget to. Hug a thug
Actually I don’t profess to be anything. I just don’t have time or patience to tolerate someone who has demonstrated him or herself to be a liar and/or a cheat.
Yensen,
The truth is that you have no answers to the questions here. What, Where or Who are you basing your self admitted limited knowledge in…the Chief of Police…last I knew he, nor his Command Staff, have been to any training pertaining to street gangs.
A “zero tolerance” attitude or arresting your way out of a gang problem is NO solution at all…For those who don’t know…EVERY MAJOR STREET GANG WAS BORN OUT OF PRISONs AND WHERE THESE GROUPS DO MOST OF THEIR RECRUITING!
The number one reason youth join gangs in the world is sense of belonging. I think there is a place to begin on the social side of the issue and what I stated previously is the key to dismantling these organizations for long term cesation.
Just whom are you refering to Dave?
Liars and Cheats?
There’s no table to turn here.
The problem is not singular to Aberdeen or Havre De Grace or Edgewood, it is county wide. When gang sets are dealing drugs and police start picking off buyers from Fallston, Bel Air, and Jarrettsville it’s reverse racial profiling. When police start picking off the supply coming in it’s racial profiling. When police develop a strategy and focus on a particular gang it’s profiling. Thank the ALCU and the race hustlers for this.
When arrests are made, good thorough cases, all of the i’s dotted and t’s crossed, the jail sentence, if any, is a minor fraction of the published penalty. The message is out there that the judges go light. Thank all of the single party liberal Democrat control in Annapolis for this, not to mention a legislature made up with a majority of defense lawyers. The circuit court judges should be sending convicted persons to jail. It seems that if you have a jailing judge at the district court level a good defense attorney will talk their client into circuit court because it’s easier to work the cases out with little or no jail time and suspended fines. I guess they’ll be lined up for Eaves courtroom if she’s elected to a full term (remember a vote against Eaves is a message to O’Malley that we the people don’t want a liberal court system).
It’s also the duty of parents to parent your children. All red or all blue everyday is not a fashion statement and short of a cattle drive, driving a train, or blowing ones nose, bandannas really don’t have a place in the wardrobe. Same goes for commercial businesses. Remember no shirt, no shoes, no service, how about no flagging or no banging and if the little imps get offended, TOUGH, let them excercise their right to shop elsewhere.
RWinger,
I think you should read my posting regarding where the roots and strengths of street gangs are forged. I’m certainly not stating that if a crime is committed they shouldn’t be hammered, but also reform in our penal instituions need to be made also…The rights and liberties of inmates are sometimes greater than the free!
Gang recruiters are cleaver little predators…they come to podunk near metro areas and target youth whom are vulnerable.
Typically, these podunk areas have podiunk mentalities like “they’re wanna be’s” and have little training, knowledge or resources to deal with the complexity of an issue such as this…hence Aberdeen and Edgewood…podunk leadership.
Great place for one to get up to speed on the issue….
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov
I’am inclined to believe as punisher has said. the wanna be’s were showing themself’s 8+ plus years ago and it was brought to the attention of the superior’s with a ho-hum attitude. now edgewood is crying’ the blue’s aberdeen 2nd & bel air a close third.
as far as the court’s, your wasting your time. to easy to file appeal’s & post bond 30+ gang members in bel air jail, all waiting to be turned loose on edgewood to seek there revenge.
all most certainly model prisoner’s. these are the low life’s that were not given equal opportunity. & free schooling.it’s easier to steal than to work.
it’s time to tighten’ the law & crack down on judge’s who could care less.
Good article on the gang bills — I was hoping to write something up on them this week in the Ex, but the nimble Dagger beat me to the punch.
My only nitpick is that Craig’s big gang grant initiative grip-n-grin was on Friday, Jan. 25, not as a follow-up to his tough talk in the State of the County. While it’s being touted as a feather in the county’s cap, but it will be interesting to see how the $2.8M gets divvied up state-wide — especially given that more “heavyweight” counties like Montgomery and P.G. are suffering from MS-13. At minimum, Harford will get another computer to put in its new ComStat room in Bel Air, to connect to this state-wide database of gang members.
Now I’ll be busy going to Annapolis for hearings on each of these bills, to see if and how they get sliced n’ diced.
msantini..write it anyway. The more voice the better…im sure you have additional commentary.
I wonder if the “criminal gang” proposals of new laws could be used …also…as RICO was used against citizens or orginizations or corporations that break laws as a way of doing buisness. The corruption as described in marina mafia comments reguarding Havre de grace would be a good start!
it must be nice for Rwinger, there is no problem so complicated that it cannot be blamed on some “liberal” somewhere.
There are ten thousand other blogs out there for that shit.
Lets say we have an agreement to keep the Dagger R or L winger free and stick to discussion on a less cliched level.
It’ll be more fun, watch.
RICO is used to prosecute gangs as an organization, but new issues need new teeth…Nancy Jacobs has propsed the new bills we need to make it easier that dealing with the US ATT”S Office.
nancy certainly has’ but read carefully they will be chopped to pieces or fail to pass. there too strict. the aclu would have a field day.
I read HB633 carefully and it mirrors current legislation regarding seizure and forfeiture of assets relating to illicit drugs and that has been on the books forever.
RICO has also been on teh books for a long standing period and has been challenged by many with lots of $$$$ and it has been upheld.
Are street gangs or outlaw motorcycle gangs any different in their MO than the mob?
I’m not certain why we shouldn’t get behind this bill and not worry soo much about what the ACLU may argue.
Punisher: Perhaps you and I differ on incarceration effects. I know that gangs do heavy recruitment in jails and on that note if corrections across the country would take a page out of the Joe Arpaio play book, perhaps this wouldn’t be a prime recruitment ground. Arizona is thick with MS13, Banditos, Mexican Mafia, and has it’s share of traditional Bloods heading east to Texas and the southern states, yet Maricopa County doesn’t have the problem. Something can be said for Apraio.
Joshua: I don’t beat up on liberals, I only state the fact that Maryland is a one party controled state that is a haven for illegals, welfare, and criminals. Maryland always ranks high as a deadly state thanks to Baltimore City and Prince George’s County, both a hotbed for liberal politics, go figure. Both of those jurisdictions are also hotbeds for gang activity and lets no forget the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County where the M in MS13 should stand for Montgomery. My concern was that Harford was starting to head in that direction ten years ago and political correctness instead of law enforcement (ie real policing) on the part of the Sheriff’s Department would get Harford to the juncture it’s at now.
Edgewood was left untreated for a little too long. Aberdeen and Havre De Grace have less than 50 officers each, I would have expected the Sheriff’s Department to have a solid 20-25 person gang enforcement unit with another 15 in the wings by now. Not a computer data entry unit, but a hands on unit.
As for RICO, Maryland is behind on that one too. Many states have state RICO laws that mirror the federal RICO statutes. Maryland needs a state RICO statute, but when your legislature is made up of mostly criminal defense lawyers why would any honest taxpayers think that laws wouldn’t be criminal friendly.
By the way Joshua, Joe Meadows is a republican and lay blame at his feet for not stepping up to the plate 10 years ago.
I was refering to hb 636 mighty fine line has to be drawn to determine criminal from the good ol’ boy’s just haveing a good time.
Sen Jacobs bills are a good start. Cops want as many tools in the toolbox as they can get. What remains to be seen, even if all this legislation passes, is, will the prosecutors and judges apply these laws as intended?
Me thinks the mind is willing but the flesh is weak.
The one that I approach with the most skepticism is the juvenile provision. Any police will tell you that it’s a steep hill to climb to get even the most recidivist juvenile offenders charged as an adult.
HB 636 is a fine line. may be infringeing on the first amendent. the right to assemble in a peacefull manner. every body’ know’s the bible say’s where there are two or more gathered I shall be there.
separating the state from the church. sunday services were being held on monday’ on the street corner.
as a senior police officer told me this is the grey scale of the law. it simply depend’s on how the court’s want to see it.
or a fancy philadelphia lawyer decides to challenge the law
I think mrs jacob’s made it very’ clear. but it has not become a law as of yet. if it does become a law. you can bet this one will make the supreme court.
Vietnam Vet,
I agree the def for “gang” is a bit weak…I say it’s put tp the test!
In the Know,
We’re still waiting for those anti-gang and anti-drug programs?
WOW…On to bears…not that they are not an important part of our world.
What ever happened to the gang and violence issue here in Harford County. We opened our eyes and then closed them again as the news and the day passed us by.
Will we all wait until this is an issue that pagues all our families as victims of both sides of the issue?
I’m still wondering what the Chief in Aberdeen is doing to plan for and address this present issue that also has existed in Aberdeen for several years… Nothing?
Give it a rest Punisher. You lost, no one gives a s*& what you think.
Dave,
Be careful your childish impulse to say what YOU feel is pouring out of your mouth again… like your idea to take the refined sewer water and pump it out onto the Wetlands to solve the water issue there… innovative… but I couldn’t help but snicker a you that day like many others.
I guess your OK with the idea that the Chief of Police has been getting by on his “Community Policing Plan” for the past eight or so years?
Many people are not!
BTW,
Still waiting for those Anti-Drug & Anti- Gang Programs Aberdeen has…
Fact is your circle talk is never backed up and it showed at the polls for you…
Like I said before neither I nor much of anyone else with the exception of your five friends care a whole lot about what you think or want. Interesting that yo raise the issue of the sewer. Hitler and his guys were masters at changing the subject to create a feeling of a problem existing.
WOW, Channel 2 News!!!! Looks like the story backfired on you Punisher (HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!) Just because you (and your new best buddy) liked to sit on your butt in the station. Aberdeen pays the police for police services, if the police don’t want to provide those services, then find another job (like say at DPW)! You proved to everyone that you are LAZY by going on tv with that BS. I wonder, do you work now? I mean seriously, are you gainfully employeed?
Grow up and move on with your life. All of your feeble attempts to discredit your former employer have backfired. At some point you have to realize that maybe not everyone else is the problem here.
hey punisher, maybe channel 2 can do a story about your storied career at the aberdeen police department. You know like you being the only reason the naacp sued the city when you beat up that pregnant woman on a parking complaint. or how about the girl from wawa that had to “disappear” becasue of the little gift you left her. or how about the true reason you left the department, you know your little credibility problem. (Seems to be alot of that swirling around at the moment) why did you run from, i mean leave new york so quick?
The reference of me to Denu is plain, but all you can do is assume…and we know what that word is when you break it down.
Denu had no “storied” career at Aberdeen..he had a good one.
The N.A.A.C.P. law suit wasn’t that at all…it happened to be the “Harford County Grass Roots Coalition” to be correct and that civil suit was settled by the City’s Insurance Compant for attorney’s fees…AFTER the defendant was convicted in TWO courts of confining an unattended child in a MV, Assault and Resisting Arrest. Additionally, he was exonorated in both internal investigations by the Sheriff’s Office and the F.B.I.
As for any girl “disappearing” and having been left a gift… more B.S.
AS for him leaving the P.D. because of his credibility problem…more like he left because of the credibility problems there!
Denu left NY to get married as his wife lived here…so he wasn’t running from anything.
I’m sure that Aberdeen being so credible and him now working for Customs with a top secret clearance..these issues would have been unearthed…
Keep lyin and cutting your noses off to spite your face or are you now happy with the status quo because you are the status quo?
“Hitler and his guys were masters at changing the subject to create a feeling of a problem existing.”
I think Channel 2 was just a little taste of more to come
City Council Minutes – February 2005
Aberdeen City Council Minutes
February 14, 2005
Aberdeen Police Department Annual Report: Chief Randy Rudy
“Councilman Kupferman asked if there was any gang activity in the City. Chief
Rudy stated that there were people with the potential for gang involvement. He
also said the County and State Police were working on this matter.”
BEGS THE QUESTION…WHY WAS THIS ISSUE SHIFTED TO M.S.P. AND THE S.O. WHEN IT’S A.P.D.’S JURISDICTION?
“Councilman Hiob thanked the Chief for his report and asked who determined
whether citizen complaints were sustained. Chief Rudy said an investigation was conducted by an outside agency. ”
BEGS THE QUESTION… WHY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO INVESTIGATE INTERNALS…ISN’T A.P.D. CREDIBLE ENOUGH TO DO THEIR OWN INVESTIGATIONS?
“Mr. Michael Pochan asked if the policeman have a quota, and where the money from fines goes. Chief Rudy stated that there was no quota, just expectations. He noted that the cash goes into the City account for the Police Department.”
BEGS THE QUESTION… WHY DID THIS GETLEMAN ASK THIS QUESTION THEN… I GUESS DENU PUT HIM UP TO IT?
What disappearance? What gift?
Council Minutes from 2 years ago….and the point is?
Maybe one of APD’s finest or someone in the mix a lot more than I can elaborate, but it was my understanding that APD hired a cop in the fall that has an extensive background in narcotics and gang work. It was brought up at a council meeting and the chief said that he was put on undrcover assignment or something of that nature and would introduce him at a later date. That seemed to be a step in the right direction when it came to gangs.
I also seem to remember when Mayor Simmons wanted to seek approval for officers to go after the root of the gang problem by attacking the base at Perryman and he was chastized for it. That seemed to be another step in the right direction.
Maybe Punisher could expand. I understand the point of having a printed plan of action but I also understand having a goal and diverting from the printed plan of action because printed plans don’t produce results, people do. Is it Punisher’s contention that the officers have not been given thorough marching orders regarding gang enforcement? Is it Punisher’s contention that the APD command closes their eyes and wishes a gang problem away?
As for the Channel 2 news story, can someone in the mix tell me why an officer’s wife is spouting out about police policies. Is she the police officer or is her husband the police officer? I don’t know what is more pathetic, officers that don’t want to do the job that they are paid to do or a spouse fighting an officer’s battle (if he was truely wronged).
Gee punisher you really know the specifics when it comes to denu…makes one wonder.
a top secret clearance at customs? not after they checked your background….. stick with being contractual….no bennies but it least it pays the mortgage (is it?)
maybe you should tell channel 2 and the rest about why you are putting the bs out there. you should fill them in on the bs you use to pull. besides the channel 2 thing i read at:
http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=11399DA6-E45C-483C-8297-FD0E4FDBF406&gsa=true
makes you and adams look like idiots! god forbit the police be required to stop cars for speeding after 2 people die on 40 because of speeding cars! that captain cox made alot of sense to me. maybe you should check out any future sotries with him before you sound like a bigger idiot than you already do. liar!
Curious…the documents provided to prove the claims dated back to 2001.
Didn’t this bogus explaination arise from “incident” that happened in the very recent past?
Explain that!
Hello? WaWa girl? Disappearance? Left with a gift? Anyone? Hello?
Back up your BS!
RWinger,
The purpose of the Council Minute of more than two years ago was to point out in fact that these issues existed then and before, but NOTHING was nor has been done to address these issues among many.
A.P.D. did hire a retired Sgt. from Baltimore City P.D. that has vice related experience, however he has been relegated to making $20 dope buys, prostitutes and now has been on load to the Harford County Narcotics Task Force to work a wiretap. So no he hasn’t been useful in addressing Aberdeen’s gang issue and I hardly think that dedicating one person to the issue is very effective.
Yes, S. Fred did want to launch the assault on Perryman, but that was not gang related is was a drug related. Additionally, I’m not aware that Perryman is “Gang H.Q.” Further, with the small geographic area Perrywood Gardens encompasses hardly supports the turf for multiple gangs sets; Aberdeen is however.
To answer the points asked in the third paragraph…yes…yes and yes. A.P.D. has no lan or policy that address’ gang issues (unless they’ve pirated one recently) and the officers have not been trained in the methods used to identify and then combat gangs.
I have been a tax payer in this City for a long time and non of us are getting what we a paying for.
Don’t get me wrong the majority of the officers are good ones and they work hard to do what they can with what very little resources and leadership they have!
February 14, 2005
Aberdeen Police Department Annual Report: Chief Randy Rudy
“Councilman Kupferman asked if there was any gang activity in the City. Chief
Rudy stated that there were people with the potential for gang involvement. He
also said the County and State Police were working on this matter.”
I’d also like to see (promptly) and correspondence Chief Rudy had with the State Police and or the Sheriff’s Office at or around this time discussing the issue… he couldn’t and didn’t…blowing smoke then and now.
Don’t Know Nothing? Hello?
What WaWa Girl? What disappearance? What gift?
Come on, back up your BS!
Denu oops Punisher. Charma, Charma, Charma….. It all comes to light. I’m sitting back waiting and watching for more to come out in the open about the real you. Dont know only hinted. Can’t wait for the day.
Punisher? Who doesn’t know that Perryman is gang territory? Idiot!!!!
Who’s the idiot? You Sad! Its Karma not Charma! You idiot!
Oh stop BIC is it really that serious? Thanks for the laugh though.
Come on Sad,
You seem to be “In the Know”, who and what is the story with this WaWa girl and Denu?
No…I’m not in the know…just me….I’m waiting for someone to spill the beans on the rat fink myself.
Problem is they say thing like this and when asked, they don’t substantiate it.
Come on ….. spill it.
That “grand piece” on channel 2 at noon was Den’s 1 second in the sun. In the entire 1 1/2 hours this evening they didn’t run it again. My guess is that they discovered what we all know, the two folk interviewed are 10-96 and not to be listened to. Denu/Punisher you are so past tens that we only talk in “he was.”
I don’t know facts…just bits and pieces. Come on Dont know….tell us.
Why is it that whenever you fools see anyone and I mean anyone near Denu you say they are crazy? Everyone cannot be crazy. Could it be that you few are the troublemakers trying to discredit Denu so that your dirty laundry list doesn’t get aired? Or did S. Fred shred that evidence in your pers file too?
I understand now that JR is protected because good old gun toting Fred got rid of the evidence that the Chief was using to get rid of him, he doesn’t call Rick Denu anymore asking for his help to save his job. Are you among the shred protected as well?
Do tell the bits and pieces. Looks like Don’t Know is a bag of wind.
Almost ten minutes and no bits and pieces?
Come on guys, what is the story?
I don’t work for the City or have any affiliation with any members. I lived not far from Washington Park when Denu ripped the woman from her car. I no longer do. I’ve been in this town for 30yrs and have seen alot.
Ripped her from the car? Explain. You said bit(s) and piece(s). What else do you know?
What does ripping her from her car have to do with her disappearance from WaWa and leaving her with a gift?
bic rick denu was a good cop, tough & aggressive. tired of the petty bull s–t & and a large family to feed, he’s gone to greener pasture’s.
if he had been allowed to operate in a better invironment the crime rate would have been reduced drastically.
he earned the respect’ of the street people. and that is very hard to do. I think they have there own intelligence system.
BIC
Go back and read Punisher on Feb. 29 th post , it will shed some light on what you want to know.
This is what I hear and have seen myself, Vietnam Vet. I have also have seen over and over on this blog how a certain few post only small allegations about Denu. I want them to substantiate their allegations, if only “bits and pieces”.
Notice how they post these things and then when asked to explain further, no responses or very little of the same, with no answers.
I do see Denu’s credibility above these certain few because he substantiates his posts.
Why no answers about this girl at WaWa? More lies?
Oh dear God they let Buck out again.
Nobody is giving any information. Only information thrown out here and never backed up. Punisher only said the WaWa thing was BS. No light shed here.
BIC
Sorry Ileft out the time ,it was 9:28 a.m. post.
Why all the secrecy? Is it that bad? What is the story for God’s sake?
I like a stink as well.but if your going to stir the stew. I agree’ show the fact’s. the man is married. and the rumor’s stink.
then there’s his wife. she has been present here on the dagger.I’am sure she can handle her own but. hopefully we can reduce the smell.
This is true. This is why I wonder about the validity of a certain few on here when they post about Denu. They post something that draws attention and leaves seeds of doubt, but when asked to expand on their story, no answer. This is yet another example.
When looking back through the posts, another story that is weak. Denu came here because his wife lived here. Period. Where were you trying to go with that?
I can honestly’ say rick denu does not know me in any shape or form. I simply came across him working the not so nice areas of aberdeen. his confidence in what he was doing was apparent.
the people he came in contact with were impressed with this well spoken man & felt there was sincere belief & concern for there call’s when he responded. the lower income people feel as if they do not get a square deal with the police.
but mr denu was trusted in there area as a man of his word. they never feared him they RESPECTED him. I’am simply speaking for a man that never likely knew he was makeing his name a house hold word on the street’s
This is exactly why these certain few need to substantiate the allegations they continue to make allegations against Mr. Denu. It is apparent by their lack of response that their stories hold no merit.
Oh and the woman Sad said was ripped from her car…well…this woman left her four or five year old child alone after dark in her car for a long time and she was no where in sight. The child was also left holding a glass carafe full of Pine Sol cleaner and no lid. The woman was NEVER in her car. She was in her apartment on the bottom floor, out of view of her child for a long time. Mr. Denu was checking on this child as she was abandoned by this woman. The woman started mouthing off to Denu when he questioned if she was the child’s mother and also asked for her identification. She continued to mouth off, causing a stir in which people were coming out of the woodwork. She also threw the cleaning fluid on Officer Denu. When this happened, he told her she was under arrest and when he asked her to put her hands behind her back, she began pushing and shoving him acting like a crazy person. She fell to the ground causing her hand to be cut by the glass carafe. Mr. Denu called the ambulance right away.
So there was no ripping of anyone from any car in Washington Park. Just an officer doing his job caring for a young child left, after dark for a long period of time while the mother was no where in sight. Bottom line. When a police officer asks for your id, you give it. You don’t throw cleaner at a police officer. You don’t refuse his request for your id. What did she have to hide?
BIC
Well said ,well said indeed . Where you got this information in such a short time I don’t know. But well done. Blow your mind on that, Hangin’ around. Or should I say BIG MOUTH.
BIC, You said:
“I do see Denu’s credibility above these certain few because he substantiates his posts.”
What posts are you referring to? I did a google site search, and found that Rick Denu hasn’t commented since November 14th?
Again,
Where are you all of you now? What about this girl? See what I mean? What trouble makers and you are the very officers that are “protecting” our City? Gee, does anyone else see the Good Ol Boy anywhere here? Looks like they can make up stuff so fast to cover themselves.
Maybe Denu has not posted or maybe he has, but at least someone answers for Denu when a question arises. At least someone close to him or knows him well answers and we have answers. These troublemakers throw stuff in the wind to stir the pot and then when asked to go further, silence.
I’am not so sure what the issue’s are with rick denu.but it would appear the aberdeen police is ”clean” as a whistle. it’s not. it’s more like they can do no wrong. and have it covered up. illegal drug raid in washington park, a few years ago. by a few of the good ole” boy’s.
and officer of aberdeen charged with beating his wife” leaves said police department. for a time.return’s with a ”new” name. and back to work. officer of aberdeen p.d. charged with murder. killing office worker. under the porter admin. he’s stalking me. no law’s as yet on stalking. he’s and officer of the law. there beyond any wrong doing.
I see one aberdeen officer who still think’s it’s ok’ to smoke in his police car. that’s a no”no’. no doubt we could continue. mr denu has done nothing wrong.
All;
BIC seems to be dead on with the circumstances surrounding the Washington Park situation. I was not in office at the time but seem to recall the events to have unfolded pretty much as stated by Bic. The investigation(s) that followed cleared Rick of all wrongdoing. I believe that Rick tried to do the right thing at the time under the circumstances. Was it exactly right? Probably not. Would he do it the same all over? Probably not. I guess the real question in all of this, with respect to the subject of this blog is: SO WHAT? The subject is not about one cop and what he or she might have done several years ago. The subject is about what needs to be going on right now. In November of 2005 Washington Street was an open air drug market. The neighbors could not go into the street. It was unsafe to go there in the day time. The residents of the three key crack houses flaunted their power to intimidate and strike fear. Oh, by the way, the key folks in that were all connected to the gangs. In November 2007 there were three new habitat homes in the place of the crack houses and the kids were playing in the streets. I am not aware of any plan or SOP or directive or anything else that needs to be written or copied. I do know that what the APD did worked and it worked well. Having spent a ton of time in the planning business both in the Army and for the Army, we all know for an absolute fact that a plan is perfect in all ways. The only glitch is that the plan becomes absolutely useless the instant the first round gets fired. For some reason we never could get the enemy to follow our plans. Why do I go into all this? Because a couple of those who want to divert the discussion, are wrapped up in “seeing the plans.” Screw the plans. Do something and if it works keep doing it until it stops working.
For two years the gang folk were running scared. For two years the drug activity slacked off to the point that it got to be really hard to make a buy here. For the last year, the gang wannabes and dealers were working out of Perrywood Gardens, running back there the instant our guys got their scent.
What do the folks here want? Do they want great planners and naysayers for do they want a police force that TRIES to enforce all of the laws possible?
Oh yeah, I lost an election so I’m not supposed to be voicing any opinions any more. Please forgive me for continuing to care about what’s best for all of Aberdeen, not just a few good old boys.
Well said Dave….Aberdeen’s crime was improved on Fred and you guys watch. You got down and talked and listened to people..Those of us in the streets.
Dave,
Hate to admit but you are correct in some of what you say. The complete methodology of getting the deals out, making absentee landlords accountable and or replacing the homes with owner occupied is a complete strategy that works.
However, the situation was left undone for a long time when law enforcement was aware. The Chief’s “Community Policing Plan” has components built into it that would have addressed the issues on Washington St. as S. Fred did on his own. Why didn’t law enforcement respond as they should have then? Why did S. Fred have to strap on his 6+ shooter and get the strategy (which wasn’t his idea) moving? Wasn’t / Isn’t a Chief of Police and a police department where the number of officers to citizen ratio much higher than the national average being pay and charged with public safety taking care of the issue?
Exlainations of being hamstrung before S. Fred came about is total bunk. The bottom line is the Chief is a poor leader and his his troops poorly led, trained and equipped!
The bottom line here is that Law Enforcment in Aberdeen needs new leadership and comprehensive plans/policies and training to address the continual changes in crime trends.
In the end you’re right….Get rid of the “Good Ole Boys” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it is very true Dave Yensan that the people made many wrong choices in their vote for the council this past election. We are stuck for less than two more years with the Wilson Administration all over again. The people of this City are already feeling their very huge mistakes!
Not sure if Simmons was the answer or not, although it was clear he needed a leash. I have to admit, S. Fred was starting to clean up lingering messes, true. I also have to say, his ends did not justify the means in many instances. He was going down some very dangerous paths. Bottom line, he was not a cop. He/we needed a leader to step up and take care of business, not just sit back and let everyone else do his job while collecting a paycheck and a hefty one at that. His salary alone could pay close to two officers to help protect our City. He needed someone to curtail some of his activities as we, the City, were heading down some serious trouble to explain if he was left unleashed. This is the Chief of Police job. Not the Mayor. Perhaps if the Chief would have done his job and not Simmons, the Mayor/Cop, Simmons would still be in office making some changes in our City that were long overdue. More poor choices that this City is living to regret.
Many of the men and you all know who you are, but are way too scared to voice it, let alone admit it, lost your respect for the Chief a long time ago. Now with Simmons gone, the Chief’s captain is running the show over there. The head of the circle.
These guys and gals at APD are amazing and with the exception of a circle of good ole boys that need to go, we would have one of the most outstanding agencies around. This good ole boy circle of troublemakers need to go and quick. The current Mayor and council know this too, but have they too have not stepped up to the plate to do what they need to make it right. These guys and gals need to have everything they need to help them do their job. I could care less if they have a hat on when they are giving me a ticket or not. I understand they need to be presentable as they need to project an image, but come on Chief, the hat thing is ridiculous.
Further, I guess it is a dead issue about this supposed girl at WaWa, who disappeared and left with a gift. These troublemakers put it out there and have yet to come forth with any substantial information beyond their little seeds they spread. Get rid of this poison. We have bigger fish to fry here in our City.
Bic very well said.
issue’s on the dagger are often twisted or changed. must have something to do with the aberdeen weather. to be honest’ I liked s,fred but there is that leash issue. met him over on the back side of north deen town houses. ask me if I wanted to go in to the wood’s & get some human varmint’s
that were lurking in the wood’s. I think you better get the police of which he did. the point being. I’am not and officer of the law and neither was he.
Exactly. You are a very wise person. You deserve our respect without question.
You know there were so many problems here in Aberdeen. We all need to remember, the Chief was here during a few administrations, but why did it take Fred Simmons to get the ball, or heads rolling, whichever the case?
Wrong or right, Fred Simmons was doing the job of the Chief of Police. So why the salary for so many years? Why does Aberdeen move forward one step and back three? When will this end? Not in this next two years this is evident.
BIC,
You keep saying something about Simmons salary…didn’t he waive his salary for the term he served?
Sad,
The Chief’s salary. The Chief’s salary. $100 + K Salary
I think ther is another element to consider while you are bashing the Chief. Under the previous administration, and probably the two before that, the police had zero support from the Mayor and Council. The chief couldn’t do his job and the officers had to be in constant fear of reprimands and trouble. The folks in the West Wing were considerably more concerned about perceptions and caved in to every citizen complaint regardless of truth. The ridiculous rumor about the woman in Washington Park re Rick Denu is a great example of this. A very vocal few had the politicos scared s*&%$#less all the time. If I had been on the force I wouldn’t have been very effective either. S. Fred and I conveyed to the APD that we would not throw them under any bus. We depended on their professionalism to do the right thing in every circumstance. They knew we would back them and we did. That is how the turn around got started. We let all of the employees do their jobs, and as a result the good ones excelled and the bad ones rose to the top of the septic tank. Fred wasn’t just running around toting a gun. He was fully read in on every aspect of the operation of the City. Mayor Helton will never achieve that level of professionalism.
I we does not change’ the fact s.fred was becomeing a pit bull with out a leash. where might our council man stood in the case of another washington park issue. hopefully’ not under the bed. or we told him. he should’nt be doing this
s.fred was a mayor, not police chief or police officer. more so a payed vigilante sooner or later there would be blood shed. maybe the chief could smooth it over or drop it in the lap’s’ of the council. since it was the mayor running rampant.
or maybe the citizen’s of aberdeen. along with the good ole boy’s. could get there gun’s out of the moth ball’s. and mount a posse& and invade perry wood garden’s. with s. fred leading the pack.
V V: Brother your bias is showing big time. You heard a lot but trust me half that crap was just that crap. There was no vigilante stuff and the Chief was left to run his department just like all the others.
Dave,
I certainly appreciate some of your points, however the point you cited about the Chief not being able to do his job under the Wilson aministration is not factual at all. It was at that time he was put to task and really was doing a fabulous job of changing the face of the Aberdeen Police Department.
It was at that time there were many tensions ( justified in many instances I might add) between the police department and the certain parts of the community and yes the politicos were scrambling to make it go away. Politicos are just that, but the Chief is the agency head who is to lead and stand behind his troops. Officers are also protected by legislation and are afforded protections from “bogus” complaints and believe me I had been there several times for just doing the job. In the end the truth prevailed and was exonorated.
With that said, those complaints and what the Mayor/Council and or City Manager thought never effected the way I performed my duties. You do what’s right and within the rules and that’s it.
The Chief gave S. Fred and Yensen the same excuse he’s giving Bennnett and Company… it was terrible, I wasn’t allowed to do my job…I’m a victim…
Exactly. Leading his troops is perfect. Something he has not done, but takes the credit.
One point Rick Denu made and stands out was just this.
Whatever the higher ups thought about how to handle a complaint or about anything else, did not effect how he performed his duties as a law enforcement officer, he just did his job.
The Chief cannot claim this one. You need to be aware and lead and protect your troops at all cost.
Perfect example.
Last summer, an event in the park prior to the election where a woman speaker was giving her speech and was bashing gays while the Chief sat and listened. When a prominent member of this community made an appointment with the Chief questioning how he would allow this type of speech at this event, he responded he did not hear her and he was really not listening due to his back hurting. That seems strange as the officers sitting on each side of him heard this speech loud and clear and were very uncomfortable for that matter.
I ask you, is this a leader? Allowing his officers, in uniform, in a public forum, ordered to sit there and listen to a woman bash gays? Of which are several in this community and whatever your preference, should an officer of the law show bias? What message did that send? The officers sure didn’t want that message portrayed to our community!
A leader? As an example, if a teacher invites a speaker to speak to her class during Black History Month and the person goes on an on about issues blatently showing his racism and the teacher does not end this speech. Who do you think is at fault here? THE LEADER. She failed in protecting her class. How long do you think she would last?
Quit bashing the man. He’s a good Chief, look at the crime rate. A department’s performance is a direct reflection of it’s leadership. Keep grinding your personal ax. I’m sure some believe you, but those who actually met him know you are wrong about the Chief. He is a good man, and a good leader.
You should have just done the job you were paid to do instead of blaming everyone else for your shortcomings. You probably would have still been employed if you did.
It’s amazing how you twist facts and imply wrong doing. Then your multiple monikers type in agreement. Truth is, Aberdeen does not have the gang violence that infests the rest of the county. That is telling tale. If your ranting were directed at the sheriff, I would tend to agree with you. But the Chief in Aberdeen is doing an excellent job of putting his officers in a position to battle crime.
the chief is a good man. but a leader of men he is not. there were other ” incident’s” in the park. when a handy capped girl was ask’ to leave no apparent reason other than the ” prominent” citizen’s of aberdeen were present
or was it the like’s of the hill folk’s in deliverence ? that ilk that stand’s at the back of the council meeting?
she certainly’ fit that description. poorly dressed crippled to a point a blind man could see. aberdeen’s finest swoop in and ask her to leave. who is willing to say’ I gave the order. and proud of it.
Rick;
Where have you been man? I think you and I will disagree for the rest of our lives. Thank God we can do it agreeably. The nameless, faceless wimps who post here can bash but you and I have to be somewhat rational since we actually use our names.
The pressure put on the Chief to keep one City Manager and three Councilpersons from tossing him under a bus must be terrible. That is the flaw in the system not the man. The APD is blessed with a lot of very fine men and women. I am in contact with four other municipal forces and each of them has their quirks, but I’d put APD up against any of them. That said there is still the “what are you doing for me today?’ attitude that seems to prevail in law enforcement and it baffles me. Although the police and military are very similar in so many ways that’s one where they part. I digress. I have held significant leadership positions in my career but would never want to have one where my chain of command has the ability to be so completely dysfunctional. Toward the end of the Wilson era the Chief was told point blank by one of the culprits that his job was in jeopardy as well just because they already smelled blood in the water. I know that you and the Chief had your differences but you forgot who the boss is. We all should have the right to express our differences, but the instant that it gets outside the doors of our immediate command, the subordinate gets tossed. I’m not sure whether it was frustration or what in your case but you changed and it cost you.
Keep on taking care of that great family, see you around brother.
Dave,
I’ll have to say that we’ll have to agree to disagree on many of the issues. Remember I was there and you were not. Remember this also that I was privi to much as I was the proverbial “golden boy”, but when I wouldn’t row the boat when it came to amoral requests, I became a problem.
Yes I do believe that Rudy’s job was in jeapardy at the end of the Wilson administration because he hadn’t done much of anything but change the color of the cars, the uniform and instituted a “paper” community policing plan that never has become part of the culture of policing after several years.
Hence the reason he bit on Pete’s suggestion (after he was thrown under the bus by Wilson) to buddy up to Fred and approached Joe and I to endorse and get behind him as the Mayor. (Also recall the conversations I had with you regarding the Chief prior to your decision to run in that same election) The thing is here, did he do that for the organization, or to protect his pay check? The Chief is a real politician and really not a leader of men. He has proven time after time that he does not address issues of crime, but instead engages in politics at the expense of the troops and the organization.
Point in fact. His own two Captains have no respect for the man one calling him Melvin, running his own game and the other constantly fighting with him over the multitude of immoral decisions being made.
Here’s a quote from S. Fred, ” I told the City Manager hands off when it comes to the police department, the Chief will answer to me.” Why would one imagine this took place? Now into the Bennett administration the City Manager is back in the chain you refer to and the Chief is complaining that he wasn’t allowed to do his job under Fred. The trend is amazingly similar isn’t it?
Claims can be made of how crime is down, but remember the statistics I had posted in the past, crime always goes up and down regardly of what law enforcement may or may not be doing.
So no Dave, I wasn’t frustrated and I didn’t change. I was seeking people who would do what is right for the community and the organization, but for themselves.
Get a life yensan. nameless faceless wimp’s, known as the ” YES ” man of aberdeen’ your not capable of controlling your self.were you in charge’ of the toilet paper brigade?
where are your reply’s of what you intend to do for the naacp” do you think your remark’s of the hill billy’s at the back door of the council meeting room have been for gotten.
you can not compare’ your self to rick denu. you don’t have the IQ or the gut’s and you’ speak of being rational.
rick denu is not going to kiss any’ a– least of all your’s. he was a major loss to aberdeen p.d.
BIS: It sounds as if the officers are assigned there because it is an event not assigned there because they support a speaker. It’s all about protecting the First Amendment. I’m sure that African-American police officers take no great pride in the fact that they work a traffic or security assignment when the Knights of The Camelion have a rally that is protected under the First Amendment and cannot be denied by not issueing a permit under federal court ruling. The police don’t have to like the speaker or the speech and they don’t have to like an assignment of standing there doing security work but they have to love the United States Constitution or they wouldn’t have taken the job in the first place.
If someone did indeed come to Chief Rudy and complain that the speech was anti-homosexual and they were offended all the chief would have needed to do is point to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution end of story. If he did indeed make up some kind of I didn’t hear it excuse then shame on him. Is that cause for dismissal? Certainly not, Something to take under advisement? Certainly.
I’m curious as to what the Chief will do about the comments made by the Adams woman on television. Is this a case of her hen pecking and running her husband’s life, is this a case of poor communication between husband and wife, is this a case of her simply expressing what she believes to be the truth, or is this a tactic where the wife is a pawn used to express her husband’s displeasure in his current working environment because he cannot out of fear of punishment or will not out of cowardice? By the way, there are many spouses that don’t like the way the boss treats the workers but you don’t see them hogging the camera. Regardless of the reason this was done in poor taste.
This could be a very good test for Chief Rudy. A test to see if he can be diplomatic, sympathetic, and stern all at the same time. Hint, hint, if there is a renegade amongst the troops then it should be dealt with swiftly and directly.
“is this a case of her simply expressing what she believes to be the truth”
I’ve never known Mrs Adams to ever speak the truth! Just ask around town.
RWinger,
The event referred to was an “Aberdeen Employee Appreciation Day” which was publicly told to be held by the Breath of God Church. In reality Megan, Fred’s son’s girlfriend arranged the event, financing and the speakers. Coincidentally, this event also took place on the first day of the 2007 campaigning where Simmons, Yensen and Hiob signs ringed the Festival Park.
To be correct, the officers in uniform were ordered to participate in the event as non of them would have attended voluntarily as they saw what the event was truly about and they certainly were not there as security. The officers sitting on either side of the Chief and the Captain were appalled by the extremist banter made by one male speaker and then again by a female speaker and member of the church. You can take it to the bank that the Chief did state not hearing the gay bashing speech and in fact while he was giving his excuses to this prominent member of our community asked the Captain if he heard this speech. The Captain also denied hearing this speech, but the officers along either side certainly did and made issue of it after the event. This was yet one more example of many where the Chief and Captain applied their situational ethics. These poor excuses of having temporary hearing loss and back issues is poor taste as an explanation to a man whom felt it necessary to bring it to their attention.
Further, true, in itself, not cause for dismissal, but when compiled over the years along with their lack of addressing serious public safety issues in the City, it certainly is.
The Adams woman. Poor taste or not, the question I was left with was why would someone feel they need to go to this extreme to express their displeasure about their husbands employer? Certainly not because they don’t like the boss, or some of the people, etc. There is something much deeper here. Does not anyone see the common thread here? There is a definite problem there and apparently Officer Adams is not part of that circle. Are they after him because he does not agree with thier ethics? I am sure all of these questions and answers will come to surface.
Okay Melvin (funny this is the nickname around the station for the Chief),
Back up that one. Show some examples of her dishonesty to back up your statement. Or are you part of that “circle” that throws stuff out there and doesn’t not substantiate when asked?
BIC thank you for clearing that up. Again I must side on the First Amendment in regard to the speaker and will agree that the forum was clouded and may have been an improper venue.
On the Channel 2 piece Rick Denu stated that officers would be transfered if they were low performers (transfered to where, Aberdeen isn’t that big of a department the web site shows patrol, rrt, detectives, and school resource), or be forced to walk foot patrol (police need to be out of the cars on foot patrol, they need to be visible, and they need to be dressed in military style working clothes as intimidation goes a long way), or the officers could have a take home car taken from them (as if a take home car was a God given right, well it’s not). What he was reading never said QUOTA it talked about performance. Was this Officer Adams’ problem or was there some other incident? I have a news flash, there is retaliation in every work place out there, it’s just being able to substantiate the claims. Discrimination cases, sexual bias cases, and work related injuries are much easier to litigate than the perception of retaliation. I will be the first one to admit that protection under the Whistleblower Act is lacking. If Officer Adams was wronged through no action on his part or received unfair or unequal punishment for an infraction that has a historic lesser punishment then he has a good legal base from which to build. If that is the case, I would caution my client and client’s spouse on any public comment. (If Officer X is late for assignment and gets a verbal reprimand and Officer Y gets a verbal reprimand for the same infraction than Officer Z may have a claim if Officer Z gets their take hame car taken away for one week for the same infraction. Officer Z would have a claim if X, Y, and Z had all been late for assignment on the same amount of days and Officer Z can demonstrate a reason for the bias whether gender, race, political affiliation, etc. Mind you this is a very simple example.)
And once again, myself included, we have managed to depart from the gang discussion.
RWinger,
I agree the First Amendment could have been used for an excuse in explaining why this type of speech was allowed at this type of function, an “Employee Appreciation”, but it wasn’t. What was said by the Chief was denial and ailment excuses and a sarcastic (what else its new) response from his Captain. That is the point here.
Your example and point taken perfectly. You just explained one of the largerst problems plaguing this department. This is exactly the problem here! You got it!
Retaliation does exists everywhere, true. But does this make it right. Is this functional and should the administration engage in it?
Perhaps the Dagger needs to write an article on this specific commentary and move all of these comments over under that particular article as we did stray from the subject here.
Nah, Mrs Adams likes to file false and malicious complaints on other officers. What goes around comes around they say. Believe me, EVERYTHING concerning her will be public soon! Stay tuned!
Melvin,
If your talkin about the Legion incident…I’ve spoken to several that were there and they confirmed a certain Sgt. was acting like the drunken ass he is and then drove home on top of it all.
Why is it whenever someone speaks of the goings on at the Aberdeen Police Department they are crazy, disgruntled, a liar, etc…????????????????????
Who did you talk to? Was it the same people IA talked to, or was it a “phantom’ witness? Then why did the investigation into the matter reveal otherwise? Like I said, I herd it was all going public very soon so sit tight!! Maybe even on you tube or something!!!
Oh sorry, forgot to mention that rumor has it that legal action is coming as well. And that my friend is PUBLIC INFORMATION! Then everyone can find out the truth and not rely on the BS you post here!
Let’s get back to the subject matter here and that is criminal street gangs.
The fact of the matter is that gangs do exist here in Aberdeen and has show a significant increase in the evidence of that since about 2003. Prior to that small or individual elements of gangs were transient to Aberdeen due to their nexus to illicit drugs, ie: Bloods and Folk Nation in Washington Park and Pagans who frequented establishments in teh Aberdeen Plaza. While it is true that no reported gang violence is prevailing in Aberdeen, graffitti, thefts, assaults, drugs and weapons are. Keep in mind that violent crime has never been over the top in Aberdeen, but property crimes and alike have been and still are.
Today in Aberdeen we have Bloods, Crips, MS13, LA Deen and members of various other street crews developed here or from Baltimore who ply their trades. They are actively recruiting, stealing, drug dealing, assualting, etc… again many of these activities are not overt, nor is gang on gang violence reported to law enforcement.
This issue here is that nothing has been done to address this issue in Aberdeen, despite it being brought to the attention of the Chief and asked in 2005 by Councilman Kupferman.
My problem is that gangs had shown their face in before 2003 and twas relatively small and not difficult to prepare for and manage. However still today there is no law enforcement strategy or edict to the officers, no integration into the COPS-IN SCHOOLS or Community Policing Programs, no intelligence gathering mechanism and very few officers trained in even the based knowledge of what to look for.
As a police officer one of the bigest concerns is that the Administration of the Police Department is aware of these sometimes very violent groups and they are not providing the officers with the training and tools they will need to best protect themselves.
That’s what I thought Punisher would do, change the subject. Good thing you distance yourself Rick.
Melvin,
Who did Bane talk to? Nobody because they were told not to get involved after the fact or they wouldn’t be welcomed back at the Legion…Call all your friends there did ya? Oh and how about the email to Elliott? Wasn’t there and order produced by the Chief to have to direct communication with the Mayor and Council? Oh that’s right the rules don’t apply to you because you have your little black book of dirty secrets of everyone.
BTW…how’s the new girl…is she the next new mommy?
Haven’t got the slightest idea what your talking about there, but good luck to you liar and all your lying friends. Looks like you gave some bad advice, but then again you give everyone bad advice. When the paperwork comes down, don’t sy you weren’t warned. Do any of you have any value in your homes? Just speculating how much it’ll cost you, that’s all.
Oh, keep up the false complaints. It helps him build a stronger case.
False? Like the WaWa girl? Hello out there? Melvin, do you know anything about this supposed disappearance and gift left to her? Answer: Sad thought this was the Washington Park girl. Goes to show you how much he (or he says she) knows.
False? Like the reason Denu left New York? Answer: Wife
False? Like the Washington Park woman? Answer: Given in earlier posts
That’s right, all false. What goes around comes around. Not fun is it?
This could turn out to be very messy. Now couldn’t it?
Just because it was some time ago when information was passed to a certain officer about drug tips and in turn that certain officer passed the information on to the very person in question doesn’t mean it could not still come back to haunt you.
Corruption is corruption, no matter how long ago it happened. Melvin, you don’t want to go there.
Keep talking Rickey, I know where Mary lives now! BTW, I think it’s cute how you switch monikers!
And…. If you are really concerned about corruption, go and file a complaint on anything you think you may know. Why keep it hidden? You’ve got caught lying before that’s why. It’s easier for you to hide on the blog and make false accusations. You and I know the truth don’t we Rickey or Punisher or SAD or BIC or whatever you dream up next.
And to all your current little buddies… I hope they run as fast as they can away from you. Look what you’ve done to all the others that believed your BS. where is Joe now anyway? Oh, and why did it go south with Simmons? Then Bennett? Now you ally yourself with Elliott? Just a matter of time there too! Own up to your track record and be a man.
Melvin,
Mary ,track record and lying? I’m not certain what your refering to, but the me I know had nothing to do with a Mary, had excellent performance evaluations and never lieda bout anything.
Please don’t make your inciuations here. If you have some definative proof of somehing why not air it out.
What I’m discussing here are the issues that face the City, not you, heck I don’t even know who you are.
Melvin,
You coward. You throw out these little tid bits. Let it all hang out. Do tell the “Mary” story.
Just what are all these lies you say Rick Denu told? Throw it all out there. Are you scared or are you the liar?
Why would Rick even look at another woman, have you ever seen his wife?
Let me tell you how I see it…
As for a former officer who has stayed out of the spot light however is working behind the scene, he is a PROVEN LIAR.
As for a former officer and failed City Council Candidate…whine, whine whine…Oh wait, you are familiar with wine, how was that wine party this year? Maybe over the years you drank too much wine. You claim to have been passed for a promotion. Is this the same promotion you wanted to see the test scores? Why did you wait two years to make it an issue? (Can’t wait to hear this LAME excuse)
You claim not to be a vindictive person. I disagree. Wasn’t you who yelled at officers and made them sit in the station reading the departments rules and regulations because they signed a “letter of no confidence” against you and your another member of the local FOP board? (Can’t wait to see how he explains that one) You get on TV and speak about quotas. I think it was you who urged your people to go out and write, write, write, and lock up everyone…saying you are paid to work….WAIT….where did I hear that….Oh that’s right, Channel 2 interviewed a spokesman from the department who said the same thing, “We expect our officers to work, not sit in the station or 7-11….in your case, the WAWA. Election time, didn’t you tell your friend how Bennett and you, when elected were gonna get rid of the the head of the department, a certain Captain, and at least two Sergeants? (Can’t wait for this smooth slick explanation)
As for Mrs. Adams and her issues…first a false complaint against, Oh wait….a Sergeant a former officer and failed Council Candidate was sure he would have gone from the department…BUT someone above says it was covered up…PROVE IT. Do I smell another LIAR? Are you saying Mrs. Adams that your husband is a target and under investigation (source: Channel 2) for not meeting a “quota?” Another LIE. Oh and how about that stunt at the Council meeting where Mrs. Adams made a fool of herself. Another whiner or winer, not sure which.
So, is anyone seeing the same thing I am?
Off this articles subject, but I do have to respond to a comment made about the annual wine “party” at the Denu house where I have been in attendance every year. What an event! You try to cheapen this party. Can’t be done, just not so. Obviously you were not on the list.
Firstly, it is a wine “tasting” where over fifty, some years more, of their closest friends attend each year. Many of whom cannot wait to get their invitation. I have met friends of each of their childhoods (wow, how many can say that) with whom they still keep in touch, friends from New York, where Rick grew up and was an officer there, friends from Elaina’s work at Alex. Brown and Sons (for those you you whom do not know was the oldest banking firm in the US). Friends through their many children, their neighbors, very few Aberdeen Police officers, their daughters Judo Club friends (as their daughter was chosen for the US TEAM by the Olympic Committee and is going to Argentina this year). One year, a friend was there, who worked with the Ravens, sported the Super Bowl ring in which he allowed to be passed around. What a thrill that was since our Ravens won that year against the Giants. There are guests from their children’s school and soccer teams. Many years, the Chief and his wife were present and at least one year, Fred Simmons and Dave Yensen with his wife. Over fifty, sixty people. All obviously great friends of this family. All having a wonderful time.
This tasting is the kickoff each year to the Holiday season and what a kickoff it is! The food is phenomenal. There have been years when an opera singer entertained us, Elaina’s brother, whom is as Italian as they get, sang Italian songs. The most memorable was when he sang Mama to their mother on bended knee. There wasn’t a dry eye in the house. Many years the crowd chimed in singing Christmas carols. When you walk from room to beautiful room in their warm and loving home you see smiles, hear laughter and from so many people who love this family and get the opportunity to make new friendships.
Thing is, you too would be invited if you weren’t such an obvious *&^) as Elaina never looks her nose down at a living soul! What a couple, but that is another story in itself!
A very tasteful event each year in which I, too wait for my invitation to arrive annually.
Funny, I didn’t hear a 10-code one, during any one of these tastings and if ever Rick took more than a sip of wine, that was a lot. He and Elaina are too busy being the perfect host and hostess.
Rick, Elaina and his family are genuine people. Jealousy is a horrible disease.
Judge X,
Although way off topic, I not sure where I have PROVEN to be a LIAR, but I’d like for you to share that.
As for drinking, I seldom drink anything, please demonstrate otherwise.
The promotion, yes I was passed over for promotion because of my work that I had done for the officers in my Union/F.O.P. capacity, which doesn’t make one very popular with the bosses.
I believe the vote of no-confidence was against the president of the F.O.P. and somehow I was lumped into it because I was defending rights and due process under the lodges constitution and by-laws. If I recall correctly, the subject who instigated that whole ordeal asked the State Lodge to step in and bothe State and Grand Lodge leadership concluded that there was no basis for that action, nor anyones removal.
Yes, I did after that situation learn that what the officers wanted was strick accountability and that I was a bit to easy on them so, I did read sections of rules and regulations as a role call training as most, if not all of them had never even cracked them open. Yes I also ecouraged them to work for the citizens of the City because that is what they are paid to do and not to meet the quotas for the bosses so they could justify budget increases, but because it’s what’s right.
As for the election, no I did not tell Bennett that there were certain people who were going to go. He is a smart man involved in the community and he was already well aware of the problems withing the organization as a whole, hence his reason for running. It so happened that I was in agreement with him and yes if elected he would have had my support on those issues because it was the right thing to do; no the vindictive one at all.
Now on to Mrs. Adams. I do not believe that she stated anything about her husband being targeted for not meeting the quotas. What she stated was that her husband was being treated unjustly and that the department had quotas and that is the truth.
Since you mention a certain Sgt. I find it curious that he has been the one whom has initiated charges or tried to against at least three of my friends and supporters and no one else. The first attempt when he lied and stated that a corporal was saying nasty stuff about him to his pregnant officer/subordinate/girlfriend. The next, when he forced his corporal to charge an officer for being late and or not showing for duty and counciling him not in conformance to the rules and regs. Now the last, where he fails to follow the rules & regs and passes and order through a subordinate who has no authority and now claims he was insubordinate. A case where the department’s own investigator acknowledges that he didn’t get a lawful order, but chooses to pressure him into signing an admission loossing three days and six months of a car or else it the trial board (railroad board).
In the end, no I and probably many others don’t see what you do. What they do see is the overwhelming amount of officers acting in a completely dysfunctional manner here and elsewhere.
Your explanation of the issue with the rules and regs is a lie. I was there and you called everyone in around 4am to listen to you as punishment for signing a vote of no confidence against you and Bray (not just Bray) and when the dispatcher had a call for us to go on you even told us “It will wait”…you were the supervisor no less. Perhaps when you read the rules and regs to officers you should have covered the section on insubordination, then maybe you would know that orders through other employees are still orders as covered in the manual. The D/Sgt never acknowledged that the officer didn’t receive a lawful order and even the proposed punishment is off…how long does it take you to make this stuff up?
By the way since your big on people backing up what they say with proof…do you have any proof you were passed over because of your FOP ties? I seem to remember the best candidates getting promoted for both of your attempts at Sgt. Your FOP affiliation is just a crutch you use to explain your failures.
There was no lie there at all. It was what it was.
I’ll recite the exact verbage for for insubordination…
Chapter 5…Paragraph D… 2. An employee shall promptly obey all LAWFUL orders of a superior, including those from a superior relayed by an employee of equall or lessor RANK. A lawful order is any order, either verbal or written, which an employee should reasonably believe to be in keeping with the performance of his duties or the responsibilities of his post.
Chapter 1…Section III… Rank: A relative position in the chain of command established by rule.
Chapter 2… Organization…lokk at your organizational chart and you find the a P.C.O. has no RANK, nor are they in an officers chain of command.
If you don’t think this interpretation is correct…why is it a rule that when an officer call out sick or some other reason…he/she must speak directly with the duty officer?
Additionally, a certain persons attorney shared a recording of that second interview, where the D/Sgt. is clearly heard stating what I had said.
I don’t think any more can be said.
Remeber, allowing the rules to be bent in this case like Joe’s and so many others, oly leaves the door open for when it’s your turn.
Hehehehe…..It’s starting to rain.
Yes I do have an overwhelming amount of evidence to that fact.
In fact, the first promotion I did not even study for and I never made an issue of the promotion of the only one of three that passed.
Dan, you contorting the facts here.
Come on Rick, even you know better than that. An order passed through to the officer is still an order. Weren’t you in the military, for atleast a day or so. Bring on the trial board. He lied in the first statement anyway so it looks like a credibility issue. Guess he’ll learn like Joey did, don’t listen to Denu’s legal aid!!
Hehehehehe…….It’s about to pour!
Yea, the one that passed wasn’t you!
I think I posted the rule and the definition. A order passed in that fashion is not a lawful order. More amazing how everyone “knows” the circumstances of a “confidential investigation”…isn’t that against the rules & regs?
But I forgot there are a separate set of rules for certain ones there.
Funny how a certain few post non-sense on here, but numbers of officers when the heat was on called Rick or threw Rick out in front when they wanted something done.
I wouldn’t talk about credability issues, when all of you march along to quota system, know about a certain officer shoting up a car with an off duty and it was covered, a certain Sgt. getting his subordinate pregnant and then still supervised her, the same Sgt. now sniffing around the new girl assigned to his shift (I wonder if she’s next), in service training by non- certified trainers, but the training records submitted are in anothers trainers name, etc…
It’s OK you go along, while I won’t, but don’t bash me because of that.
What with the attorney going around and playing the interview for everyone…why wouldn’t people know about it? Where is your glorious proof you were passed over? Under your argument when a dispatcher sends an officer to a call, whose to say the officer can’t refuse to go? They don’t have the authority right?
The point is that a PCO only relays information. They do not and can not order an officer. Only an officer having RANK, ie: stripes, bars or the eagle can.
Let me ask you, have you been ordered by a PCO ever?
Oh, someone complained! I’m being censored!!!! The Aegis all over again!!!
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The thing I find curious is the number of would be officers posting here kicking me around, but not addressing or defending the topic here which is gangs.
I would love to hear how much the leadership has provided them with a guiding document, information resources and the training to protect themselves and the members of the community.
I was only playing with Rick, please don’t be mad at me 🙂
“Can’t we all just get along?” Rodney King
I think rick denu has made some very’ good point’s. in his command there would have been a shake down.
better known in the marine corp’s as sh-t bird’s. lolly gaggers ect. they gotta go. discipline is the key’
immediate response to order’s. with out further question. again it support’s my belief ( rick denu was a loss to the police department )
semper-fi
Ok, ok, ok…enough is enough already. Damn. I thought this article was about “Gangland?”
Exactly, but didn’t Rick Denu want to talk about the subject time and again?
Gee I thought it was the I love Rick Denu blog! Or at least the Denu family blog.
Rick, I would like to hear the proof about you being passed over for promotion. I know, I know, you don’t really have any cause if you did you certainly would have played that card by now but I can still ask. Truth is, it seems obvious to me you were fairly beat by two better candidates for Sergeant. By the way, “In fact, the first promotion I did not even study for and I never made an issue of the promotion of the only one of three that passed”…didn’t study? Lame excuse. So your issue is that you deserved to be promoted over Bane? Wow! Really? He laughs it off and dismisses your comments but not me. Wasn’t it Bane that was taken from his shift when you were both Corporals and moved to yours because you couldn’t get the job done? And if I’m not mistaken you can’t blame that on Cox right? Wasn’t it the other Captain’s idea? That caused you to quit SRT right? Then his entire shift, on their own, met with the Chief and Captain to express their displeasure over the move and attempt to change their minds. Don’t get me wrong he has his faults as everyone does but I worked for both of you and, no offense by this, but you weren’t even close. With you we never knew what we werre gonna get on any given night. Some nights you were ready to rock, some nights you were a prick mad at the world and we used to joke about you doing nothing but smoking cigarettes and complaining. Bane was always ready to rock and he set the bar high and made coming to work fun. As the saying goes, put up or shut up Rick, this is getting ridiculous. Forget getting ridiculous, it is ridiculous. I had respect for you but I have none left after seeing how you twist and fabricate things. It’s apparent that this anger and hatred consumes you…sad.
it is about ”Gangland” I have’nt heard from any body more qualified than rick denu to head up the conversation’ of which I think if you read” the blog he is doing his best to point out the failure’s, of our local’s to start to correct the problem’s.
lead by the unqualified to do the impossible.the point he has repeatedly made has been poor or no training’
decrepit equipment etc. he is no longer & officer of the law’ but he’s raiseing his family here.
Gangs are everywere, even in Aberdeen. But the Aberdeen Police Department does an EXCEPTIONAL job and keeping the gang member off of the street. The current RRT team is doing amazing things and contrary to some reports on the web are getting convictions. One only needs to read the newspaper or watch the television news to see that Aberdeen does not suffer from the violent crime the rest of the area does.
Oh, and one remark on the alledged quota: Last time I checked, telling someone to do their job is not ordering a quota. I want my police to work. If they don’t want to work, tell them to go to another department that doesn’t use my tax money.
And finally, If this Rick Denu is out to make right a few wrongs why doesn’t he address the mayor and city council at a council meeting instead of throwing out rumors and innuendos on the anonnymous world wide web?
I think it’s become apparent” there’s no reason to take anything’ to the local council. there ethic’s are in question. it’s not and issue about quota. when and officer can’t put down his chicken long enough to respond to a call. I’am beginning to believe our police department has question’s about ethic’s.
Is there more than one “Punisher” on the dagger? This last post seems out of character and refers to “this Rick Denu” as if he doesn’t know him, and yet in other posts (for example on this blog on February 29th, 2008 9:24 am )
knows quite a bit..is someone playing an early April Fools?
confused I agree. it appears ” punisher” is becomeing a popular name here on the dagger. ready willing & able to defend aberdeen’s police department.
when it’s impossible for them to remove a convicted ”drunk” who drive’s every day with out a license.
given all the information needed he is still driveing. and then tell’s us to read the paper’ I do. I expect to read local family’ killed by drunk driver. who was reported & nothing done.
oh my mistake. it’s not a crime’ to drive on revoked license. with a 3 time conviction & a forth heading to court. law’s are for law abideing citizen’s.
Gee, why not post his name on the blog for all the police to see? Since you say you call continually and get no response. I don’t think you will though, but go ahead prove me wrong vet!
KoolMoeD,
To answer you first question, I never whined about the promotion, I just chalked it up to politics. Believe me, I’d taken more hits forthe guys and girls than most.
Second, no I wasn’t fairly beat by two other candidates, I was second on the list out of three.
Sorry you can’t accept my admission that I didn’t study for the first Sgt.s test. So happens at he time I was Corporal in charge of a shift, in charge of SRT, responsible for Bike Patrol, a Intoximeter Operator and writing a grant for the department….Oh and plus taking care of my family of nine.
No, in fact I’ve been in charge of squads long term on three occassions and never had a problem with moral or productivity and my personnel evaluations attest to that fact. Again no, Bane was moved to my squad by Cox and he worked for me. In fact, shortly after that Burke (another Corporal..count em that’s three)was put in charge of that same squad by Cox, with me as the second and Bane as the third.
I appreciate your opinion about who you prefer to work with, but he bottom line here is that I never had a moral or productivity issue with any of the squads in worked in or led and my personnel evaluations from the day I started to the day I left were nothing but outstanding. In fact, in my eighteen years of law enforcement, I only had one minor counseling form for missing court one day.
Last, I’m sorry that have lost respect for me. I’m not certain what you think I’ve twisted or fabricated here. I’m guessing you’re not one of the many officers who still come to my home or call me with regularity, but your respected me until what you’ve read now. I don’t know who you may be, but I’m certain you must have had no respect since I haven’t heard or seen you in a year.
Thanks for writing.
Again another officer posting, but no discussion, just more dysfunction.
Why haven’t any of them posted something..anything that would contradict what I have stated?
Again, I’d like to hear from them, what the Chief or the Patrol Captain are doing to get them educated and equipped for the dangers they face… or at least potentially.
I can state that by the Administrations failures, they have placed the officers and citizens in harms way unduely.
Rick Denu on March 3rd, 2008 2:30 pm
“Yes I do have an overwhelming amount of evidence to that fact.
In fact, the first promotion I did not even study for and I never made an issue of the promotion of the only one of three that passed.
Dan, you contorting the facts here.”
Please do not insinuate that I have posted comments on this blog under a ficticious name. The two or three posts I have authored were posted several months ago and were under my real name. I choose to no longer take part in discussions on “The Dagger” for my own reasons. That is all.
AFL
Dan Gosnell
punisher
you’ might find it interesting. I did’nt call I reported’ directly to the police department. will all info needed.
nothing done. it won’t be a crime until somebody die’s.
semper-fi
Ok Mr Hartman, but why won’t you post the information here? There seems to be an awful lot of police reading these blogs, maybe they can catch him for you. Come on Bob, just post the info, then everyone will know and keep an eye out!
Brian and APD Officers,
It is so obvious that the latest comments from Punisher are not the Original Punisher.
I also want to point out the tone of the posts from Punisher Impersonator. Notice the tone of sarcasm, so warm and inviting wouldn’t you say? Perhaps this gentleman is nervous as these officers whom will not come forward because of retaliation. Trust that retaliation DOES happen at APD.
So, Come on APD Officers, give the truth about the place and you too will see everyone will be keeping an eye out for you!
BIC,
I dont think Aberdeen officers, past or present, should be on here “airing their dirty laundry” so to speak as this is obviously what you were suggesting. The things that happen in the department are just that. Citizens do not need to know every detail of the departmental workings. All that people should care about is that APD is doing a WONDERFUL job!!! All this nonsense about who didnt get what promotion needs to be dropped. As for Denu, he doesnt work for APD so lets just move on.
Once again I will state that if you have something to say, man up and put your name down. Don’t be ashamed of your opinion.
Rick,
I usually attempt to stay above these types of issues as I know that most of what is posted on here is garbage but in this instance I feel I must set the record straight. You see I too have an excellent record at APD. My performance evaluations and awards (which include departmental, county, state and even one from the ATF) speak for themselves. I am a former Harford County Law Enforcement Officer of the Year and I even have letters and e-mails from you recognizing my performance. I came out on top in the promotional process and I was promoted, plain and simple. If you have actual evidence to the contrary then please follow up on it. Next you have twisted the facts somewhat. You are correct that when Cox was made the Patrol Captain he put us on the same shift and you in charge. It was done because he felt the two of us together could effectively run the shift while the Sgt. was out long term. You were above me because of seniority, you had more time on the dept and more time as a Corporal. The part you skipped or ignored is the fact that I WAS placed in command of your shift in July 2002. KoolMoeD did not fabricate that and anyone who was working there at that time will attest to it. I and my senior officer were moved from our highly productive shift and moved to yours to replace you and attempt to motivate the officers. That’s a fact…you know that. Do you remember what you said to me the day you quit SRT after learning of this move? I do however I choose not to share it with the world. I’ve busted my ass for this agency since I started and I don’t appreciate anyone putting a jaded slant on me.
Bane
I think the new Punisher would have a better chance of getting published in the Aegis than the Dagger anymore. Just trying to put a little fun on the blog. But Mrs Denu is right, it is a new Punisher! And I just want everyone to love each other!
Found an interesting news article on WJZ.com about blogging that Mr Denu may want to look at:
http://wjz.com/topstories/blogger.defamation.salisbury.2.428314.html
You want to stick to the subject Rick? Ok, what is your concern over how Aberdeen handles gangs? It would appear to me that Aberdeen has similiar demographics to that of Edgewood and nowhere near the problems. Does anyone realize the last shooting the City had was nearly 2 years ago. And the perpetrators in that case came up from Edgewood to committ the crime. Aberdeen officers are proactive and aggressive against this element and it appears to be working. Officers are given gang training but I guess that’s not good enough because you want a manual with nice neat little pictures that show what gang members look like and what to do if you see one, right? Give me a break, you know that’s not how it works. APD is a small agency with limited resources and they do a damn good job with what they have. APD officers are just that OFFICERS. Your argument about a manual on how to deal with gangs is a bit over the top. I don’t know of any agency that has a manual on how to spot a drunk driver, but officers are trained in this area and expected to enforce these laws. Likewise, I don’t know of any agency that has a manual on how to spot a drug dealer, but officers are trained in this area and expected to enforce these laws. You get my point. Anything to try and discredit the agency though, right Rick? At least try and come up with fact based pertinent info.
i agree that some of the posters here are annoying, but if gang violence is truly a growing concern in the city–a strategy for dealing with the issue is not out of line. and the first line of defense would be law enforcement, but there would be other social interventions as well. check on baltimore’s strategy from 2006: http://www.jhsph.edu/preventyouthviolence/images/FINALGANGSTRATEGY.pdf
Shedding so me light. My point exactly.
Kirk,
First of all I haven’t paint a negative picture of you at all, you are an excellence officer.
The point you made about your commanding “my” shift was out of context, as it was after your promotion to Sgt. this occured.
The other point you made was the you and your other officer coming to tSgt. Budnick’s shift to improve productivity and moral was correct. You notice that I was not the leader there, but anyway the moral and productivity of the group was good al be it a dumping ground for the lazy.
My leaving SRT was a personal decision and had nothing to do with the move. My feeling there was that my assistant team leader and the training guy were vying for control and causing that little corner of the world to become factionalized to; and you know that.
And from me to all of you, “I’ve busted my ass for this agency since I started and I don’t appreciate anyone putting a jaded slant on me.” Touche’!
This insn’t about officers (for the most part) it’s how the administration of the Police Department operates to the detriment of the officers and the citizens while fleecing them of their taxes with a smile and a coffee mug.
What gang training and how many attended. Do you have a whay to take mug shots yet, a place to put all the information so you can share it with each other, etc…
What other info do you want to post on here? You wanna know how many officers are working any given night and what their names are etc? YOU ARE A CIVILIAN and it’s none of your damn business. I’m not going to describe our training etc to you on a public blog for all to see unlike you did with some other sensitive info. Way to safeguard officer’s lives.
39isawhack, (Amuzing)
First off I think that you re-evaluate you demographic assumption about Edgewood. It has a greater number of rental properties, subsidized housing, lower income level, more joblessness and only until several years ago a law eforcement presence. So, I think your comparison is a bit off.
The shooting you refer to two years ago…case in point. There again, thank you for supporting my point that Aberdeen has NEVEN been plagued by violent crime EVER. I don’t why a certain few keep banging that garbage pail. Your make the asserting that “there is no violent crime here”, but you can’t own that, it’s always been like that. What you can own an I can atest to is that we mostly floundered upon hard criminals because they are being kacked up all the time, so all that can be claimed is that you’re stemming violent crime for now.
The story that is never tols is that property crimes are significantly high and always have been. That is something that has never been addressed, just written off by the complainant, insurance company or law enforcement. Show me a change there and I’ll be impressed.
The point you did make and I agree, is that of limited resources. So why when Federal and State Grant funding is available doesn’t the Aministration apply for funding which could be in the hundreds of thousands to fund the resources YOU need to do your job? In fact, it hasn’t been since 2003 and 2004 that Aberdeen was awarded any Federal Grant Funding, of which, I a Corporal wrote, applied for and recieved. On that same note, why do they not apply for State Grant Funds to purchase body armor? I did several years in a row and saved the department thousands. Anther point, when resources are :stretched” so thin does the Chief spend many thousands on coffee mugs and Christmas cards?
What I’ve been stating all along here is that the Administration spends on frivilous items and smoke & mirrors, in lieu of investing in the tools YOU need to do you jobs effectively. Let’s face it, your floundering around with bare bones resources and they haven’t done anything to improve that. Moreover, the I.U.P.A. and F.O.P. have pushed most of the equipment and benefits for the past many years.
I think that all of this is fact based and pertinant and if you’d like me to place my support documents in here I can, but that would be over the top as you say.
Again, little on the issue and alot of dysfunction. Lord have mercy, I feel like I’m on the stand and the defense is…”let’s discredit the cop, that’s our only shot”.
Way to go. A simple statement of what the training title, who did and how many attended isn’t sensitive at all. That’s just you attempting to hide what is the truth, ythat maybe a few have been to maybe a MAGLOCLEN gang or outlaw biker seminar inthe past.
Go back and find where I posted any “sensitive stuff” please.
As for your civilian comment…way to go. Remeber it’s because I’m a citizen and a taxpayer that it is my business. Where do you live? Cecil County, Bel Air or some other part of the County?
that info can be found on the street. if there was a need for it. do you realize? that 90% percent of the street’ people know where the officers live.
it would not take a military genius to figure out how many officers are on duty at any one time. shift changes etc.
if it’s a matter of national security I suggest we tighten up. to the best of my knowledge no officers home’s or family’s have been attacked.
accept rick denu’s. wife & and family on this blog. as a concerned citizen I think we have the right’ to ask what our city is doing to prepare it’s self for the future
blog’s such as this are being read by brac transplant’s. all I can say is welcome to aberdeen
thanks for your concern mr hartman! but the pd is managed just fine. good people, good leadership. just a few liars here on the blog. but then again, you don’t have a history of listening to reason do you bob?
well all I can say’ is bob hartman need’s to be advised. he is being talked about here on the dagger. I get the impression in military term’s he is considered a section 8. or to the civilian’s a nut case. in vietnamese dinky dow or maybe just plain crazy?or maybe fruit cake.
or maybe? a mistaken identity.
you have to admit rick denu speak’s his peace. and sign’s his name for all the world to see. a man with nothing to hide.
Ok, I’m a bit surprised that since you’ve had all of these officers allegedly stopping in to your home all the time that they neglected to tell you. I seem to remember 2 separate blocks of training one done by a current officer, who is an instructor, that we hired about 2 years ago from MTA and prior top that another block done by a Balt City officer who was friends with Booker, a former Aberdeen officer. I said that Aberdeen had SIMILIAR demographics to Edgewood. I realize they are a bit larger BUT let’s say for the sake of argument and round numbers that our demographics are half that of Edgewood although . Wouldn’t it stand to reason that we would have half the number of shootings/homicides they have? But we don’t do we? Wanna know why? Because while you and every other citizen of Aberdeen sleep safe and sound in their homes at night with their locked doors and windows, Aberdeen Officers are out their proactively doing their job to keep everyone safe and WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WORKING. That is the key. Spin doctor it anyway you want to. I’ve never heard any officer state that they feel undertrained. Look into the amount of funds and manpower they expend in Edgewood. Their manpower is twice that of ours so I’m guessing their funding is as well. So by my figures we spend half the money and get AT LEAST twice the results. By the way wouldn’t grants fall under the Admin Capt’s responsibility?
Sorry for the duplicate but part of my response disappeared. By the way Rick, it’s not 39 is a whack, it’s 39 is whack. And V. Vet, what’s your deal? I need an interpreter just to read your posts. Cut down on the glue intake and hit spell check once in a while.
And this 39iswhack is an officer of our community? Sounds like a real nice guy as I am snickering.
You need to learn some respect, my friend. Where do you get off treating people like that? Again, you are part of that circle that can do and say anything they want and get away with it because you are in that circle……until you disagree…..watch out, then, watch your back.
Are you all planning a nice little letter to Rick Denu’s wife like you did to another one of your fellow officers for this supposed affair with lovely Mary at the WaWa? Nice. Who do you think that hurt? The wife and their three children. That’s who.
Wasn’t the pot calling the kettle black in most of your cases?
Nice little bunch we have on the loose in Aberdeen…..and paying them at that.
greeting’s
whack 39 not much in to spell check’ no use for it at my age. but if your and officer of the law I know why were in trouble.
I suggest you’ go light on the chicken. get some physical exercise and avoid the wa-wa.
& learn some respect for your elder’s. your makeing the department look bad.
How come any time someone speaks out against Denu on here they must be an officer? And on top of that they must be in this imaginary circle? Way off base but keep trying though. There are many in the community who don’t care for him. Two points, first wasn’t that letter sent by a now “retired” officer…yes it was. Second, just because V.Vet is a vet doesn’t mean he gets a free pass to post garbage on here about the agency and profess love for Denu over and over again. We get it, he’s great, he’s always right, you respect him, blah, blah, blah. And by the way V. Vet, respect your elders? I bet you and I are very near the same age.
You want to talk about spin doctor. I checked MPCTC and there no approved gand trainings for Aberdeen….
TRAINING PROGRAMS APPROVED BY THE POLICE & CORRECTIONAL TRAINING COMMISSIONS
Agency Appr.# Course Title Type Hours Approved Expires
Aberdeen P1075 Annual Day Pistol Firearms 2.00 8/22/2005 8/22/2008
Aberdeen P1056 Assault Rifle Basic Firearms 8.00 08/2005 08/2008 MINE
Aberdeen P1075 Off Duty 6 Shot Revolver Firearms 2.00 8/22/2005 8/22/2008
Aberdeen P1057Automatic Weapon Semi-Annual Firearms 0.00 7/2005 7/2008 MINE
Aberdeen P9357 Armed Confrontation Inservice 16.00 3/12/2004 EXPIRED MINE
Aberdeen P1056 Assault Rifle Basic Course Firearms 8.00 7/08/2005 7/08/2008 MINE
Aberdeen P1056 Assault Rifle Semi-Annual Qual. Firearms 0.00 7/2005 7/2008 MINE
Aberdeen P9358 Cultural Diversity Inservice 4.00 3/12/2004 3/12/2007 EXPIRED
Aberdeen P9360 Crime Scene Inservice 8.00 3/15/2004 3/15/2007 EXPIRED
Aberdeen P1064 Gangs, An Overview Inservice 4.00 5/09/2005 5/09/2008 MINE
Aberdeen P1056 Special Weapons Inservice 2.00 7/08/2005 7/08/2008
Anyone interested in checking themselves: http://mdle.net/programs.pdf
Sorry other than my gang overview course, I couldn’t find any other training for Aberdeen and of course I’ve already checked with MPCTC and there have been no reported hours for gang training to them. Additionally, I have that gang presentation, so I don’t know how anyone would deliver it after I left.
Another thing, probably while you were still wetting your pants, I was protecting everyone at night for the past eighteen years.
Again, I’ll state the fact. Aberdeen has NEVER had a history of violent crime. Why do you claim stopping it when it doesn’t exist?
To answer your last question, “By the way wouldn’t grants fall under the Admin Capt’s responsibility?” Yes and also the Chief’s. At the time gangs were reported to exist and September 11th., Cox was the Administrative Captain. Thanks for making that point for me.
39iswhack,
You make claims not to be on the job, but how do you know my old radio number 39?
Come on. The only retired guys according to the Chief are Milt and Ed.
Not sure which side to take, the dagger or the aegis. Lately it seems the Dagger only posts the ones Rick Denu likes!
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Once again you are WRONG. APD sends their people out to the classes offered by Safe Streets and MPTC. After all, why reinvent the wheel and it’s free.
Point of the matter is, you REALLY don’t know what we do and you are just throwing out mis-information to confuse the citizens. The only support you have is your family and Mr Vietnam Vet.
The Aberdeen Police Department is very good at protecting the citizens of Aberdeen. If you don’t think so, then move to Edgewood as see for yourself. You have been OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT for over a year now. You are out of touch. Having an occausional visitor in uniform stop by for a free meal does not make you an expert on anything. And of your alledged 18 years of LE experience, how much of that was sitting in a supply handing out uniforms and equipment to the reall police?
Move on Rick, get on with your life. You are running out of venues to spew your nonsense. You had a couple of good ideas, but they were tarnished when you began your campaign of propaganda. If you were serious about making any positive changes, you would have addressed that with the transition team you were apart of. But the only flaw the team found was the retirement plan. You want a cause to champion, then champion that instead of all this other nonsense.
As for any other complaints, you’re tight with the Mayor. Address it to him or the City Council. But the stuff you write on this blog is twisted and slanted. Anyone with any level of LE education can see that. But I guess that isn’t the audience you are trying to reach is it?
Let’s be grown ups here. Address your concerns at a City Council meeting and stop all the back room nonsense and ficticious rumors.
Well guess what? All training DOES NOT have to be approved by MPCTC. If you want to submit the hours for inservice it does but just because we do the training doesn’t mean we have to submit the hours for credit. Wow and you would think the guy that says he did everything for the agency would know that. How are we ever surviving without you Rick? By the way you say you conducted a roll call training of the rules and regs…where is the MPCTC number for that?
I know nothing.
mr vietnam vet. now that’s better. what gall’s you about rick denu? because he was and officer that stood out?
he has the bearing’ of and officer a man of confidence. a man that knew what he was doing. a leader of men.
I have never met the man. but I give respect where it’s due! and I’am sure he’s younger than I’am.
I was trained by the marine’s in the early’ 60’s when beating’& abuse were still common.
I was taught to respect those who deserve it. it’s sad so many’ officer’s go unnoticed & seldom get a thank you’
mr denu is gone. but his deed’s are not.
semper-fi
No all training that is done does not need MPCTC numbers, especially those less complex in nature, ie: rules & regulations. I would expect complex issues like community policing, gangs homeland security, defense tactics, pepper spray, asp baton, handcuffing, etc….to have one.
BTW…If it’s easier and cheaper to send officers out for the training, then why do we a Sgt. who is a full time PIO and Training Officer?
Because it enhances the operations of the PD. But not being a member of the PD, you wouldn’t know that. As I stated before, you do nothing but spew out mis-information to confuse the public.
BTW: Is there a little a jealousy in your post about the Sgt taking the position you wanted and didn’t get?
New to this blog and it seems to me that this Denu fellow has an awful big axe to grind against you police officers. As a tax payer of Aberdeen, I just wanted to let all of you know that I appreciate the fine job that all of you do. No matter what these people say, all of you (from the Chief down) do an excellent job. Keep up the good work and always know that the tax payers stand behind you.
To Mr Denu, if you are so knowledgeble why aren’t you at least a Chief of Police somewhere by now? Personally, I find it hard to believe the majority of the stuff you write.
Oh we believe the last post as a new reader. Whatever Cricket, as in hear the crickets?
Enhances the operation how? As stated before…” we send our officers out for training.” Isn’t that what was said.
The only P#’s active are the ones prepared by another Sgt. in charge of teh range. All that is left is P.I.O. Is there that much news that stems from the police department that we the tax payers spend more than $60K a year for?
Again, malign. The Sgt. that took that created position was never expected to return from sick leave, but when he did and the Chief had already promoted someone to his spot what were they to do right.
Jealous not. Concerned over how the department is run and the product we the taxpayer get for the budget isn’t remotely equal.
Again, Again, Agan, not a reflection of the majority of the officers there, but teh Leadership.
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Nice to see that the Dagger Press is selective in it’s enforcement! What I posted was a matter of public record, heck even the Aegis published it in it’s legal section. It is clear that Mr Denu can post all kinds of fabrication, however when someone posts a public record, it gets removed (promptly). Is Mr Denu employeed by the Dagger now?
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The just of the post that was removed is simply that Mr Denu can not manage himself so why in the world would anyone listen to his rantings about the City? He would be better served by paying a little more attention to his family and personal matters than concerning himself with Aberdeen. Apparently he doesn’t know much about anything. (Ok, go ahead and censor me!)
Rick Denu-First I suggest you go back to using Punisher. You can atleast try to hide behind him. We as a community don’t care about the specifics of training, regs, etc. the APD follows or doesn’t. They are doing a GREAT job! You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a true embarrasment to the uniform. That’s why you are no longer wearing one. Obviously by the many posts from officers you had and have very little respect from them.
Vet-I write this with much respect for my elder. I am not sure why you are so confused about the real Denu, but if you only read other posts you’ll see that Mr. Denu has very few, aside from his many alias, that respect him. He is a failure in everything he does.
And this is lovely Aberdeen-“Who do you think that hurt? The wife and their three children. That’s who” When a man has an affair and it becomes public it is no ones fault but his own……are you serious?
FYI all
Regardless of any of the actual policy discussions going on here, attacking someone’s marriage automatically makes you a scumbag.
Please stop being scumbags.
It sucks.
I find it interesting the extent people will go. to trample on a person’s personal affair’s. mr denu’s statement about police officer’s stopping by his home are true. and some very senior’ officer’s at that.
they certainly’ show no fear of the power’s that be.did anybody’ take the time to see this family has a heart of gold? I believe the last count of children he was supporting was 9.
out of respect for the family’ I will not attempt to elaborate on the family’s personal affairs.
what I find amazeing is the people who want to crucify this man. why because he was a tough street cop? he required the same from his underling’s.
Again, malign. I’m sorry I’m not as perfect as the few officers that are posting here and I’ll admit what’s due.
I think what is perfectly obvious to the many Dagger readers and regular posters, is that I have posted facts and responded in facts to the many personal attacks here.
Further, the fact that not one officers has posted his name and contradicted anything I’ve discussed here with any substantive proof otherwise. The fact that no one has, is proof enough that there has been no training for the officers on this issue, that there is no plan or policy, nor any other resources dedicated to protecting the officers and the community from this scurge.
Anyone interested in much the last coffee mug order the Cheif placed costed the taxpayer… about $3000. Not a bad budget for free-bee give aways for you buddies and poltico friends. Personally, I’d like to see that money invested in the officers training or some other useful purpose.
IKnowNothing,
Personally to you. I owe you nothing, but the case you cut and pasted from the judical case site is not factual. My home is not in forclosure, nor is it for sale. Would you like to cut and paste the child support case here also. I’ll save you the trouble…several years ago my lovely ex-wife was giving me a hard time regarding the child support and I went and sign a VOLUNTARY wage with holding so that the support would be accounted for through support services. You can get the case file if you like…it’s $5.00
Thanks for showing what some are really like and for posting a copy of the cases in the officers room at the station by the way.
I tend to agree with Joshua on this one…you are a scumbag…probably one worse than anyone ever arrested.
Thanks.
Rick, the case idon’tknowknowthing posted was from the legals section of the Aegis. In case you missed it, your house is scheduled for auction on March 21st 2008 on the court house steps. They don’t auction off houses for no reason. Anyone that doubts the auction only need to look at the Aegis dated March 5, 2008 and see for themselves. The online case you mention says that your house has been in forclosure since June of 2007.
Veitnam Vet, how do know Rick so well? You said you never met him yet you defend him like he was your son. If all you know of him is what other people say and the trash he posted on this blog then you really need to educate yourself a little more.
Back to Rick, dude you are nothing more than a liar. This has been proven over and over again. Now again with your foreclosue, I feel sorry for your family and friends, becasue they are the ones that will ultimately pay for the mess you created. It is unbelievable to me that people can’t see through your BS. You continually attack people on the blog (unedited I might add) but when the people you call out respond, you back off and say what a good officer they were.
Enough is enough Rick, Let it go and take care of your family. Because in the end, that’s all you’ll have.
I just returned home from taking my children to Judo practice in College Park only to find this on the Dagger.
Since it is public knowledge anyway and so that you don’t have to speculate anymore about our financial situation, I will explain. I am only doing this in hopes you will no longer bring our financial situation in the public as I have teenage daughters and the last thing I want to happen is for them to have to worry as they have already been through so very much, as have my entire family. I am asking you to please keep my personal life out of this mess. This includes myself and my children.
I will give the cliff notes version as you can see life has not been easy of late and actually it has been quite difficult.
Our son was diagnosed with terminal cancer and because of the extraordinary financial strain of all that surrounded his illness through to his passing, we became behind in our mortgage payments. I called our mortgage carrier to explain our situation and asked if there would be any options. I did not want to lose our home. I did not tell my husband, Rick because the death of our son was such a devastating blow to him, I choose not to tell him, although this is something we don’t make a practice of, thinking I could handle it alone, afterall, I handle the money in our household. Not a good idea, I suppose.
The mortgage company happily entered us into a repayment plan, but added another $1,000 per month on top of our regular monthly mortgage payment. I was scared and I felt trapped, so I did not negotiate and entered into this agreement. In retrospect, I should have tried to negotiate, but needless to say, I too was feeling quite overwhelmed. This payment plan began in June and after four or five months, I began to feel the crunch in the other areas, so I could not pay the entire amount that particular month, but was right on track the following month until present. I called over a week ago and explained how the extra $1,000 per month has been extremely difficult and asked if there was another option. They explained that I could apply for another payment plan based on new information, but the agreement would become void. They assured me we were pre-approved for this new agreement based on the information already given, but to wait for an analyst to call. I asked if I should send the payment I already have for this month and they declined saying to wait for the call. I spoke to a lady in that particular office this morning and she looked at our file and said it indeed had been assigned an analyst, which means she is in the process of writing a new agreement and once she finishes the paperwork, we will begin this plan. I only had three more months to pay on the original repayment plan to be completely current with the exception of that one month, for almost a year, I have paid every month.
While I know this is all personal, I have to write as I understand the copy of this information was cut out of the Aegis and posted in the roll call room at the Police Department for all to see. I don’t want to think about the snickering going on, etc. This will not change the fact that it indeed happen and yes we are stuck right in the middle of this.
I am not writing for any sympathy. I am writing because it is public information and I want to be the one to explain the situation as even though there are days I feel I cannot breathe, I wouldn’t change anything because the money was used toward the expenses surrounding our sons death.
There have been many things said and done surrounding my husbands departure from the police department, through the campaign through the present, I know, but please we have been through so much.
I do stand by my husband, but please leave this out of your comments if not for me, but for my children. I am a strong person, but I do have to say my world has been rocked by all of these circumstances and I am trying to help my family heal from something I don’t think anybody could begin to imagine.
Elaina,
Please tell me you don’t have Wells Fargo as your mortgagor.
Good lord people,
You have to dig so low as to attack the man and his family? Why cant you just leave well enough alone? Its one thing to scrutinize his work,politics,etc but to bring his wife and children in this? That in my opinion is really low. Hasn’t the man been through enough?
While I feel sorry for you Mrs Denu, your husband brought this on himself with all of his posting on the blog. He claims to know what’s best for everyone else, why doesn’t he know what’s best for his family?
And about Rick’s terminally ill son, that funeral was paid for with donations from members of the police department. Please stop the lies, it’s sickning that you use his memory liket hat.
Did you stand by your husband after you filed that complaint on him? You know, when you were afraid of him and they had to take his guns away. Your husband can mess with people on the WWW but when they fire back, he can’t take the heat.
The truth will ALWAYS set you free!
Melvin,
Again you only demonstrate my point about the untruths posted here and the character of some there.
First my son’s funeral was paid for by FOP donations!
Second my wife did come in an make any complaint against me!
I’m not “messin” with anyone here. What I’ve posted is facts about how the police department is administrated and responded to malicious attacks such as this.
You character shines through!
Maybe it’s a slip up Rick, but you posted as your wife.
Maybe it’s also a slip up that you confirmed your wife making a the complaint on you (I was one of the people that took your guns, remember). And you did verify that members of the police dept paid for the funeral because the FOP members are member of the department.
You have no right to tell anyone how to run anything. You can’t even run your own personal affairs. You should have stayed in New York working supply for the police up there.
Public life doesn’t suit you because you don’t like when your life becomes public.
Are you going to go back to posting as Punisher now? How about BIC or SAD? [admin note – last warning, no personal attacks]
I understand that there is a lot of hatred and bad feelings between so many that post here but for the sake of Rick’s family do try to keep your comments a little on topic and less as a personal assault . Would you want your children reading what has been posted so many times? And in regards to his house situation, it can happen to any family at any time and although it is public record, don’t you think him and his wife are trying to make their kids feel safe and cared for at this point? And the thought of losing a child is unthinkable, so take it down a notch and think before you write, we all have to live with our families and children in neighboring communities.
This situation is no doubt unfortunate and unfair to the kids. However, I would also have to say that as the saying goes, “you live by the sword, you die by the sword”. Rick has chosen to use this very public blog to attack his former employer and co-workers. While he states that he speaks the truth, many things are taken out of context or are spun wildly and in some cases completely made up. I personally am certain this is intentional. He states that he has not attacked anyone on here but he has and those people perceive his comments as attacks and, to quote another phrase, “perception is reality”. I agree with Melvin. If a person cannot run their personal affairs properly how can we trust them to run those of a large organization or a city? If Rick really has ideas or issues with the department then there are proper venues to address those concerns/ideas and this blog is not that venue. What is posted on here benefits no one and is counterproductive. Rick chooses to post on this site and fire shots across the bow so he cannot cry foul when things like this come out. Unlike Rick I will offer a viable solution to the issue. Stop posting the garbage on here and address your issues properly. Is there anyone at all out there who believes this is the proper forum for the issues Rick addresses? Let me end with this. Rick may not agree with the way the Police Department is managed, but he is not the Chief. He is not even an officer anymore. Everyone has different ideas and ways of running things but that does not mean that one way is better than another. Not everyone is going to agree with every decision the Chief makes that’s just a fact of life. I don’t care if it’s law enforcement or Taco Bell, subordinates are always going to think they have a better way of doing things than their bosses do at times.
Rick, people have tried to help you but you always turned your back on them. People like S. Fred, the Chief, countless members of the PD, Helton, even Bennett. The sole common denominator in all this is you. Maybe you should take a good long look at yourself in the mirror.
KJ is obviously concerned about your children reading about you on this blog. But what about the officer’s children who you posted about Rick. At least what was posted about you was true. You relied on half truths and sometimes straight out fabrication. The truth always comes out, you got caught that’s all.
Melvin,
I don’t think anything was “confirmed”. What I did was state that it was untrue.
I can take what ever lies you dish out or however you’d like to “spin” things; as I’ve had for the past eleven sum years.
You won’t bully or itimidate me into going away, nor from speaking the truth!
I welcome the truth from you for a change Rick. (Nice to see you back posting as yourself!)
No one is trying to bully or intimidate you Rick. Speak “your” truth all you want, just choose the proper venue. Let’s put this into perspective. You attacked Simmons and Rudy last year leading up to the election. It was obvious you wanted them both out. Congrats, you succeeded with Simmons but you lost with Rudy. You used to attack the city policy on virtually every issue water/sewer, infrastructure, taxes, administration, etc. Police was only one of many areas you addressed, now it’s the sole issue. Why? Because the other issues don’t matter as much now becasue Simmons is gone. Rudy is still around and that is why your sole focus of attack is directed towards the PD. So it stands to reason that you will continue with this malicious behavior until the day he leaves. By the way you did not state the comments were untrue you actually confirmed them. Go back and read the post. Maybe it was a typo…or a Freudian slip?
This whole situation reminds me of when I once got into a fight with my best friend. We didn’t speak for days and kept exchanging the evil eye. Then one of us said something demeaning to the other and a weeks-long war of words and insults ensued. We couldn’t leave each other alone and kept picking apart one another, even when there was no response or rebuttal.
It’s because we were best friends and needed to have some contact, even if it was fighting. We soon recognized this and resumed our friendship.
This was in the third grade. Maybe you guys can take a lesson.
Incidentally, if gang members have computers and use the Internet and somehow stumble upon this site, this story, this discussion – I’m sure they’re feeling more at ease than ever.
A poignant dialogue on the realities of battling gangs in surburbia has decomposed into cop vs. cop. Who wins this war?
Not any of us.
FFC,
I appreciate your commentary. I do happen to use other venues to address the issues passing that many officers, community members and myself feel are important to the City. Do you think me foolish enough to belive that posting on a blog is going to effect change by itself? No. I have always worked hard to do what’s right and that has made me very unpopular as you can well see, but I will continue to so.
I disagree however with your thoughts that posting the facts of how the police department is operating here does no good. This venue is an open eye to the public, much like television and the print media. As you have seen I have in fact used those venues and have been communicating wit the Mayor, Council and City Manager on the issue and proposed solutions.
I can see from you tempered advise that you have some experience in this arena and as you have also experienced that it is very difficult or dangerous to attempt to effect change from within an organization.
Do you have firsthand knowledge of how the department is operating? The only answer to that can be no. You have been gone a year and a lot happens in a years time. You have a couple of officers who come to you and tell you their version of what is going on and then you relay that secondhand info. It is secondhand correct? What you are doing would be the equivalent of an officer making an arrest that I am no where near, not even at work at the time of the arrest, the officer telling me their version of what happened and then me going to court and testfying for the officer. Do you know of any judge in any court that would allow that? I do not. You are right that I don’t always get my way, but I chalk it up to that being life. I’m not always right and if I want to run the show I have to work my way up and earn that position. My belief is that you feel you have pursued this to the point where you are in too far and stopping would make you lose face. Just my opinion, and yes I know what they say about opinions.
Brian,
Point well taken! You coment also sheds light on points that I have made. Aside from the discussion here, this weakness is only solidified by the fact that the issue has been ignored by the administration and that most of the officers don’t even recognize the danger that is standing in front of them day to day.
I have not and never will ever say that the officers are not doing their jobs. What I am saying is that there is an obligation by the Administartion to 1st protect the officers and second to protect the citizenry from criminal elements that can effect their person and or property with the resources they are provided.
You are right, “who wins this war”. I was posing this issue from the aspect of addressing the issue and can not help that certain key individuals within an organization are responsible for making things happen or not. If that was percieved as an attack, well so be it, people often get defensive an attack when they are wrong.
Rick, so because you have called for answers about the PD’s training and policies on gangs and no one has responded, that makes you right? Come on? I’ll give you yet another analogy. If you post on here that the sky is green and grass is pink and ask anyone to prove otherwise and no one responds to you does that make your statement true? No it does not.
I can equally argue that in reading all the prior posts I have seen numerous times in which you too were called out on comments you made and asked to supply info or proof and you failed to do so and most of the time ignored the request.
Rick, I will attempt to sum it here. You have posted attacks on people and positions here at the PD. Even naming officers on the blog. Of course when they respond directly, you retreat by saying a good officer they were. You are on record saying that you were out to get rid of Chief, Cox, Mac, and Kirk. You fired off about Jason, Dave, all the new hires. Your continual bashing of people and flat lies are catching up. You were booted from the transition team and you haved soiled relationships with the previous and now current city administration, as well as everyone who thought you were out for positive change. You present yourself as a know it all about everything and quite frankly Rick we are slowly learning that you really don’t know much. You have posted confidential information on on-going cases, posted old info from MPTC, and brought into question ever policy the department has. As stated before, you have gone to far and people are begining to fight back. Alot of the information you have is outdated, inaccurate, and sometimes flat out lies. Then you have the gaul to complain when the spot light is turned on you? Why should we care what your children or their friends read when you could care less about the BS you post?
If you want it to stop Rick, stop posting BS on the blog and stick to factual information that can help effect positive change in the City. If you contine with your attacks, you can expect the same in return.
nice try brian…deaf ears.
if a gangbanger fires a shot in the street…and the police are trading insults on a blog…does it make a sound?
Back to my original question:
How can you say you know what’s best of the police dept when you can’t even manage your own affaris? PLEASE ANSWER THAT, I’ve been waiting for a day now. And don’t lie again and say that the foreclosure auction isn’t true, it’s public information.
New name to post under Rick? Come up with something alittle more original.
shedding light,
if a man is at home trading insults on a blog…how can he be at work making money to pay his bills?
i don’t know for sure…the dagger guys have the IP addresses…but i bet that most people on this site are sitting in their cubes or offices. if not, there are a lot of unemployed aberdeen folks.
You know it’s funny though. There are at least 2 websites operating that will allow you to call a phone number and determine what you want the caller id display to read including name and phone number. Likewise there are similiar IP address scramblers out there. With todays technology the world may never know.
that’s a lot of work to insult your former coworkers on a local blog.
It’s called shift work, but at least it’s work and it pays the bills! As if you would know.
Depends on how demented you are. I would argue anyone who has gone to these lengths for payback will do whatever it takes. Look at his alter ego on here, “Punisher”. Has anyone read the comics or at least seen the movie? Frank Castle is a former cop who becomes a vigilante known as the Punisher setting out to right wrongs. What I doubt anyone knows is while at the onset huis intentions are good and just, eventually Castle gets to the point where he can no longer distinguish between right and wrong. The way I see it this is eerily similiar to the former cop posting on here using the name Punisher.
shedding light is correct. We have the IP addresses, which may identify where you are accessing the site from. But be assured that we will never share this information unless forced to by legal means.
Steve,
Having the addresses only gives a general location, sometimes as general as the town and there is software out there that can mask and/or change the ip address.
The technology out there today is the reason there is so much cybercrime in the country that goes unpunished because it’s virtually impossible to track down the offender without expending mucho dinero and even then there’s a good chance you still won’t if they know what they’re doing.
FCC,
Correct, when using an ISP to connect to the internet, the ISP assigns a an IP through a DHCP server or something similar.. The ISP can still trace the computer themselves.
We track the IPs for purposes of making sure that those who like to use multiple screen names and continue to harass other commenters are moderated appropriately.
conspiracies, monikers, and scramblers, oh my!
i feel confident you don’t share IP addresses steve–i just meant it would be funny to see any evidence pointing to the fact that we’re all posting when we should be working!
melvin, melvin, here we go again…you guys always think you know someone and are on the verge of calling them out…
i’d use my name–but you’d judge me based on an association. so today i shed light. for the sake of saving you the embarrassment of accusing one more person of being rick denu:
i’m a chick, i absolutely work 40 hrs a week, mon-fri–and not for the police department of any local government institution.
i keep the dagger on the bottom of my screen at work because i am interested in local politics, i love what the dagger guys (and girls) have to say and the occasional witty/intelligent commentary from the community, and i especially like to watch the rest of you make fools of yourselves as you go around (and around) with insults….never discussing the issue at hand. it’s a guilty pleasure–kind of like reality tv.
Oh, ok I believe you now! Your post cleared everything up, thank you.
Anyway, Rick Denu is not qualified to manage anything. He does not have the intellegence, the education, or the experience. And guys and GIRLS are the facts. He even lied about why he could pay his mortgage (well, posting as his wife).
Not only that, but I have it on good authority that he once TORE THE TAG OFF OF A MATTRESS!!!!!!!
Anybody up for sponsoring a APD dodgeball game? We could raise money for private security forces in Edgewood.
I am, let’s have it at the Belcamp Community Center; Mac.
Fcc
freudian slip. it’s been a while since I’ve heard that one. there seem’s to be alot of slipping of the tongue issue’s, here on the dagger.
some one asked me about rick denu. said I acted like he was my son. well no. he remind’s me of a marine captain. I once knew’ in vietnam. ( company commander) never afraid to step forth’ and get in the thick of the fray’ took out a bunker full of nva ( north vietnamese army soldiers ) with a 45 automatic. & a k-bar knife. we were never asked to do something he would not do his self.
action’s speak louder than word’s. as for my son he will never walk. born crippled by a birth defect. a young man now. who only regret’s he can not join the marine’s.