For the last three weeks, representatives of the Aberdeen Police Department and Municipal Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 128 have been trying to arrange a meeting with newly elected Mayor Mike Bennett.
In that time, at least two letters of invitation sent to Bennett from the FOP have been met with no response, yet the new mayor has found time to meet with Aberdeen’s auxiliary police department – a group in which Bennett’s unofficial and ultimately unsuccessful running mate Steve Johnson is a member.
What’s more, city police officers are now concerned about what they have been told will be the beginning of informal interviews this week conducted by members of Bennett’s 30-person transition team.
“The current concern is that we are not confident in some of the members of the transition team. We believe that there is a conflict of interest and we want to ensure we are represented fairly and accurately. Given the makeup of the team we requested the meeting to give the mayor the majority point of view,” said Aberdeen police officer and FOP Lodge 128 acting president David Swain.
Swain and the FOP sent its first letter to Bennett sometime around Nov. 14 and, when that was met with no response, issued a second, identical letter around Nov. 28 to Bennett and the each member of the Aberdeen City Council.
What follows is the full text of that letter:
Congratulations on your successful campaign and election.
As expected with any major change in leadership, there are many rumors being perpetuated regarding upcoming changes that may be planned. Many of these rumors are causing concern to the members of the Police Department. Specific rumors regarding the transition team that has been assembled, its members, its purpose with regards to the police department, and the methods that it will employ to arrive at its recommendations are of particular concern.
We would like to meet with each of you personally, in hopes of confirming or dispelling the merits of these rumors, alleviating the concerns of the officers, and offering our views regarding the current state of the police department, as well as identify any way we can be of assistance with the transition.
There is concern that our true perspectives are not and will not be accurately represented to you and the council and we would like the opportunity to express them in person.
We believe that this meeting will do a lot to preserve the morale of the department which at this point seems to be suffering from the rumors, unanswered questions and lack of direct representation with the mayor and the council members.
We look forward to your response and hope a meeting can be scheduled quickly.
As of Tuesday morning, Swain had been in touch with city council members Mike Hiob and Ron Kupferman and understood that Ruth Ann Young wanted to meet with the FOP, but had yet to receive a reply from either Bennett or city council president Ruth Elliott – who strongly supported Bennett in his mayoral bid.
“All the FOP is trying to do at this point is get our true needs addressed and open up dialogue with the new administration. We find it to be insulting that he would meet with the auxiliary police before even talking with us. Not just the FOP, but just to come into the station and introduce himself to us,” Swain said.
To be clear, Swain said the FOP, which represents law enforcement officers in Aberdeen, Bel Air and Havre de Grace, is focused on issues of officer safety, pay and retirement.
“What needs to be clear is that we do not want to meet to make demands or bully anyone, only to provide the best representation for our members and make sure any actions taken by or recommendation made by a transition team are legal under the Law Enforcement Officers Bill or Rights [LEOBR] and in the best interest of the entire department,” Swain added.
The FOP became additionally stressed this week when members heard word that Bennett’s transition team, a group of unsuccessful candidates, community activists, city business people and outside experts headed by Democratic leader and former state senator Art Helton, would be conducting informal interviews with city police officers.
Helton confirmed Tuesday that subdivisions of the transition team had indeed started to fan out into city hall to meet with city officials and employees as part of the group’s fact-finding mission.
“The Budget sub-committee has met and outlined a list of information they need. They are meeting Tuesday night with Doug Miller and the finance Director [Opiribo] Jack to go over some of this info. The W& S and infrastructure sub-committee has met for a lengthy session with [city public works director Matt] Lapinsky and some of his folks (water). They are meeting again this week for more briefings on Sewer issues. The Safety committee is gathering info. that they have requested. The Administrative committee is moving a little slower than planned, but then again they have a large assignment and are a rather large group,” Helton wrote in an email Tuesday.
While Helton didn’t specifically mention any meeting between the transition team and the police department, Swain said the FOP has already contacted its attorney about an issue it sees with “a member of the team who should not be making recommendations about the department because of a conflict of interest.”
That transition team member, specifically, is Rick Denu – a former Aberdeen police officer who recently lost his bid for a seat on the city council. Although not officially connected, Denu was often linked to Bennett’s mayoral campaign. Denu isn’t the only failed city council candidate on Bennett’s transition team. He shares that distinction with Johnson, Bernard DeWitt and Bruce Garner.
The FOP’s concern apparently stems from an ongoing police investigation involving the circumstances by which Denu abruptly resigned from the department. Regardless of why he quit, Denu apparently left in his wake some sort of ongoing investigation involving the Aberdeen Police Department.
“It is our understanding that Rick Denu is part of the transition team for the department. There is an ongoing departmental investigation that is being conducted by the state police. Although I cannot comment on the details of the investigation I do know that Rick Denu is involved and he is the reason for the investigation, which was started prior to his leaving the department. We believe that this could create a problem if a person that opened an investigation claiming wrong doing by the department is allowed to conduct interviews of police and make recommendation about our policies and procedures before his investigation is concluded,” Swain said.
Swain went on to say the FOP has no problem with any of the other members of the transition team, but believes it would be inappropriate for Denu to be involved in any police matters, given his history with the department.
“You have to ask the question, is it appropriate, and whose purpose does it serve for Rick to have any input on our affairs? How is he qualified to make any decisions about our policies and what are his motives? Seems to me that if you know he already has a problem than there is no way he can be objective and unbiased,” Swain said.
The FOP remains unsure why the transition team is interviewing police officers and Swain said, until a purpose has been stated, members of the lodge will be made aware that they do not have to talk to anyone according to the LEOBR.
Helton said any interviews would fit into the general assignment tasked to the transition team.
“Let me state again the entire assignment for the transition team is fact finding in order to present a comprehensive assemblage of information to Mayor Bennett. There are no specific targets or people that are being singled out in this process,” he added.
Further, Helton suggested he thinks the alleged meeting with the auxiliary police was “more of a casual stop by” with “no purpose or subject to it.”
“I wouldn’t believe there is any reason for the Mayor to meet with the FOP yet. I’m sure he will meet with them at a time he has something to discuss with them. He hasn’t been on the job a month yet and there are other folks he also wants to meet that time has not allowed,” Helton wrote.
Helton also pointed out the transition team will brief Bennett on its findings as part of its public safety evaluation.
His suggestion to the FOP?
“They need to calm down and let things take a normal course. Be patient.”
Oh this is funny Bennet was the "enemy" according to Swain and his beat down crew. swain and some others were bad mouthing bennet calling him a liar and a theif
denu didnt leve under investigation check with the training commission he left because this place is joke and so is swain. he left to find a real place to work an i am sorry to see him leave cause was the only one who would stand up to losers like these.
oh and the so called investigation was initiated by the chief and not denu and why would swain have any details of an internal their confidential or supposed to be anyway
the fop is broke
oh how many people were at the last meeting 5 or 6. last i checked there are about seventy plus members is this what swain calls fair and accurate representation of the police?
denu also had a great twelve year history with the police department unlike swains whole two years wheree he loses most of his rrt cases
Frank G says
It's almost 1:30AM and a buddy sent me the link to the article above. Before this post, I toured this Dagger website. There are a lot of crazy or rude people out there…some I can tell are police officers some citizens. Anyway, I am confused as to why Aberdeen's Mayor would meet with the Aux police and not the police? As an outsider, however in the LE field, I would too be upset. This Mayor is or was a trooper if I have followed this all correctly. This guy Art Helton says the FOP should calm down and be patient. Who is he and why is he saying this? Is he the Mayor or a spokesman for the Mayor's Office? I can see the FOP enlisting the assistance of their state lodge if these tactics continue. This guy Rick Denu, I must say this would be a conflict of interest if in fact what I read is legit. The FOP is never broken and will never be broken. Maybe "Punisher" should visit their website. From all the post from this guy or gal "Punisher" it seems to me it is this Rick Denu person or someone close to him. "Punisher" is stuck on Denu in most of his post. Maybe I am wrong, but that is how I read it.
Stay focused Lodge 128 and remember you can count on your brothers & sisters from the local, state, and national lodge(s).
the mayors advisory committe is made up of cops most fop guys and i can tell you this theyre not outsiders.
as for the fop being being broke their local is and thats a fact why do think nobody wans to talk w them?
if you think theyre legit how about their mention of leobr. those laws protect officers when they are under internal investigation. this transition team is trying to find out just what the bosses have them doing and how and not just that but how the public also feels about it.
isnt that something they should be doing? but theyre not. a small bunch of cops w something to gain are running the fop and theyre only looking out for themselves.
as for denu i was here before him and he did a great job here and the only reason theyre lyin about him is because he blew the whistle on em.
swain the great detective isnt even smart enough to know leobr and that hes being used believe me we all dont feel the way he says
you say Denu didn't leave under investigation, however, then go on in a further post to state your "details" of the investigation and that the top is 'broke' because Swain knew about it.
Seems contradictory to provide your knowledge of an investigation that you initially state didn't exist.
Also if the 'top' is broke because the acting FOP president knows about the existiance of investigations, what part is 'broke' that you know about it.
Unless you are indeed Denu, or are you the "top" that is broke (I am guessing the former)
And if indeed only 5 o 6 officers were represented at the meeting and there are 70 plus in total, I am certain the 65 disenfranchised will be sure to respond loudly if they don't agree with asking the Mayor and Council for a meeting to start talking.
I doubt much of what you say holds water under scrutiny, but then, that won't suprise many who follow your posts..
"Maryland Law has held generally that the LEOBR must be triggered by an internal investigation or interrogation. leibe v. police department"
further, routine counseling sessions, review of sick leave or departmental reorganization although action that may adversly affect the officers are not sufficient to trigger LEOBR. Montgomery Count v. Leibe
just goes to show ya how much they know or dont scares me really
My name is James McGarvey and I am a 18 year member of the Police Department. I am also a member of the FOP. As an FOP member, and IUPA before them, I can tell you that the information provided by Dave Swain in this artcile is completely factual and accurate.
It's about time some other people stop with hiding behind the false names on this blog and stand up for what is right. There are 45 or so Officers at APD, not just the 4 or 5 that believe they should be something that they are not. People like 'Punisher" should stop their BS, identify themselves and if they have a valid complaint come forward. Apparently they don't so they will continue to hide in the background.
To Brian, thanks for the article. It is well written, factual, and brings to the forefront an issue that needed to be addressed.
The Man says
The FOP is far from broke, they have more than enough money. In fact Punisher/Denu they have [edited by admin]
Well done Brian. Anyone who has been in LE or worked closely with them understand the frustration. Art Helton is a failed politician. He has been accused (rightly I understand) of any number of wrong doings. I suspect that like the Mayor he would not even qualify to be an Aberdeen police officer with today's high standards. What is up with a State Police investigation? Who did initiate it? Is it any more or less alarming than a Special Prosecutor's investigation? I suppose we should have hillbilly trucks drive around town and advertise this too.
Not in the Know says
Great article, exactly what everyone needed to know about the 'transition team'. It's a witch hunt, nothing more.
What the article didn't say is that they are not interviewing everyone. Only a select few. Gee, I wonder who? Could it be the 4 or 5 Mac mentioned above? Maybe the 3 that think they should be detectives? You know, the ones that haven't done ANYTHING their whole career. The disgruntled corporal, the officer that complained his way out of every job, and the officer who should be a dispatcher? Give me a break. Talk to the people that actually do their jobs.
The Man says
Although I somewhat understand why my comment was edited, the info provided is public record as shown in the link I've supplied. The officers at the PD can't/won't post it so I've done it for them.
I've grown weary of Punisher/Denu and whatever other name he has on here attacking the officers of the PD through his unsubstantiated and biased comments. He wasn't good enough to get promoted past Corp. when he worked for the PD but all of the sudden he's good enough to judge the entire agency?
[Admin Note: While you are correct that it is public record, it is not relevant to this discussion]
Can I ask the transition team if I can come in between 9:30-10:00 am and leave by 2:00pm too? The wanna-be can, why can't the rest of us? Oh, that's right, they have their targets and he's not one of them. The transition team should adjust their aim a little bit.
He only made corporal because he was lawson's boy and chief rat. lawson got booted after the management study by elliott. Maybe they should do another one!
The Man says
How about a story? There once was a police officer who felt that he deserved more than he had. Superior people were promoted over him and this frustrated and angered him. Then one day the officer quit the police department like he quit so many other things in his life. Some said it was because he made false accusations against the administration while others said it was to further his education. After he quit he really didn't work much and his home went in to foreclosure. He spent most of his time though running for office and attacking his former co-workers on blog sites for no reason. After his failed election bid he sought other avenues to screw with his former co-workers and eased his way on to the transition team to review "policies and procedures"…cough cough bullshit cough cough. I haven't finished the story yet. The moral of the story to this point is: Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and more specifically those that can't manage their personal affairs and finances shouldn't even "help" in managing those of a city.
The Man says
I agree that it's not relevant to the original article but little if any of what "Punisher" writes is relevant either. My comments are in response to his postings. However you are the moderator and I respect your call.
The Man says
By the way punisher, you referred to Swain and his beat down crew…who might the rest of his crew be? And I'm curious as to why they're a "beat down crew" as you write. Also what makes you think he has lost any of his cases? Time to start backing up you BS with facts. Oh one more, you wrote that Denu (you) left to find a real place to work…I guess you haven't found it yet? How long does that usually take?
Is there any conflict of interest between Mayor Bennett working for the MSP and the MSP investigating issues at APD? Just curious since Slutzky and Shrodes had to resign their positions with the Board of Ed and County respectfully when they were elected.
I did a little bit of research and it appears that Officer Denu (whom I met once while he was on the job and impressed me with his water/ sewer ideas this past election) was sued by the NAACP for an incident involving the arrest/ treatment of a female. I appears that this is the only time that the police department was sued by the NAACP and it was a successful suit. That sort of conflicts with allegations about beat down tactics and military acts that are going on now. Maybe that is something that should be conveyed to the transition team. As I've stated before, I see no need for a 30 person transition team working through January. Maybe Mr. Denu would be of better service to the water and sewer transition team, he certainly seemed well informed on those issues during the past election. I now suspect that he may have been fed some talking points or some of the projects would cause a rise in rates but that's for another article.
God Bless the police and the thankless job that they do and pity on those few bad eggs that screw over the professionals. My advice to the transition team, how about a pay raise and the best equipment for these officers so that Aberdeen can keep the best officers in Aberdeen.
Winger your wrong as are many on here keep tryin to sling the dirt the election is over a fred who didnt give you anything close to what he promised is out and he wont be back
naacp didnt win any law suit bond was convicted in two courts and the cities insurance compnay settled for peanut to pay legal fees and thats it
ps i hope the transition team looks to the courts for just how many cases you few losers lose that record will speak for itself
what about all the bankruptcies and getting fired for dwi or bar brawls
Get Real! says
You all are really shocked that Bennett has not had a meeting with the fop. He has already said he is going to be a part time mayor he doesnt have the time.You had a full time mayor who had meetings scheduled all day long remember ,you voted him out! Did you not think that Art Helton , Steve Johnson ,Rick Denu and everyone else under the sun who supported/controlled Bennett wouldnt have a say on how this city was going to be runned .Get real people wake up smell the bullshit ,it just got smashed in your face!
observer for observe says
So, what is the complaint? Is it that the mayor is not meeting with the FOP or not meeting with the police? I would define APD and FOP as two separate groups. Why would Bennett want to meet with a union?
He wont meet with anyone!
Bennett won't meet with the Police or the FOP.
And Denu did beat up a pregnant woman over a parking complaint in Washington Park. The court said that the woman parked illegally. But did she need to get beat up over it? Fox 45 did a BIG story on it. And the NAACP sued (as they should have) and WON!
And that IS the only time the City has been succesfully sued for brutality. That is a FACT.
The City of Aberdeen is slowly but surely falling apart at the seams. I wish I could sit back with a smirk and laugh at the ones, or should I say many, who bashed former Mayor Simmons and his raw, in your face tactics to get the city where it needed to be. Sadly enough, I can't….because I have been forced to live in a city where a bunch of immature, selfish, failed, hypcritical, idiots have been elected to run it. A mayor who has a 30 man transition team, and where Art Helton has to make comments to the press for him, is no mayor at all in my eyes. (Believe me, there are many more examples of how he is not Mayor, yet a puppet). Law Enforcement is one of the major components that hold together a city. How could a Mayor who honestly cares for the city not meet with them when asked to? If there is simply no time, he shouldn't be Mayor. I love that the FOP needs "to be patient" as Helton says, but yet, his tax break was first line of business and first ruling of the new Mayor. I don't care if Helton says it was just coinsidental timing. I don't buy it. There are plenty of questions I could ask the readers of The Dagger, and I could already give the answers to them, just to make the voters for Bennett feel even more ridiculously stupid. But I wont, I think it is all becoming very apparant for the citizens of Aberdeen, there has never been a politically worse choice for the city than this past election.
For now I will continue to sit back, satisfied that this is getting thrown back in the faces of those who backed Bennett.
Punisher- this is not myspace, how old are you to be typing like that, and to mispell so many words? Or just that dumb…I pray for the city, you are not Denu, since he has been chosen to be on the oh so elect transition team.
It's strange to me that since the election, the OLD MAYOR has been to the Police Department for a visit more than the new mayor. I guess Helton will send him a barring letter now.
But don't worry Mayor Simmons, you are more than welcome to visit this PUBLIC building anytime I am there!
Half of the comments do not even pertain to the content in the article… Seriously, keep on topic people! As a resident ,this makes me feel uneasy if this is how things are handled by our city's employees. I know the police have done a great job in the recent years but every time I see an Aberdeen police car I can't help but think about what has been said and accused on the dagger… both good and bad. I do appreciate the ability to have discussions in this manner though!
melvin the woman was convicted of confining an unattended child in a mv failure to obey they arent tickets theyre misdemeanors
naacp didnt win any suit fool the lawyer got paid and that was it
maybe ask judge eaves what she thought about the case
Come on Rick, you forgot to change your screen name when you defended yourself.
If Punisher really is Denu, isn't it funny how now after the election the choice of words and phrases have drastically changed. Funny, how they know so much so quickly to respond to the defence of Denu about the law suit, investigation, etc.
Rick always panics when the pressure is on and does stupid things. If the transition team is not on a witch hunt, then why the PUNISHER screen name?
Give it up Rick, soon enough you'll hate Bennett and Helton too! You are to predictable.
common knowledge hmmmm?
oh no but you are am i'm cool looks like you are the ones scramblin
is this all you have
funny how melvin took melvins name or should i say the chiefs pet name
so many of you like to talk out of school looks like its time for the teacher to teach
Good one Rickey! You really got us good there. Come on, get off your high horse and admit why you left the police department. The truth will really set you free! Don't go down the same way JB did. Save yourself Rick, the embarrasment will only sting for a little while. Just think, you and your family could move away to anew place where no one knows you. Just like the last time in NY.
everyones got your numbers and they aint buyin
How funny Rickey took the name of Punisher. Are we pretending again Rickey?
No really, I'm puzzled as to why people think Punisher is Rick Denu besides the points being made and knowledge most seem to think only he would know? Does he really speak/type like that? If so, I only have pity…
Frank Castle says
Denu is a de don't in 2009.
As calm rests over the blog, the Punisher realizes his fate. He is doomed as a politician and a human being. Not knowing the difference between right and wrong, the Punisher takes his leave of the blog world.
But wait, he can back as someone else! Yes, to further his personal agenda!
But what identity to take? No way can he expose his ture identity as Rickey Denu, too many people know he's full sh*t now. I know, he says to himself, I'll come back as a concerned citizen! Wait, someone already used that didn't they.
Darn, all the good names are taken!
Satsfied – nicely said. This article is about two things – the APD's concern that a former officer has some sort of influence, and the the APD's concern that they are being ignored by the current Mayor. He won't even officially comment on the story… we get our quotes from Art??????
I'm torn – because I'm sad that such a joker was elected to office (and got my vote); and I'm sad that I may not have realized how beloved Simmons was until he was gone. But I'm happy because, for the first time, I actually care about this town's politics enough to stand up and do what it takes to get this guy OUT in 2009.
Maybe we can get one of those jokers (maybe the dude with the greasy ponytail) to mount a huge sign in the back of his pickup truck with that cartoon of Helton and the other stooges.
Good luck Officer Swain. Maybe somebody in City Hall needs some "beat down" tactics.
Frank G says
WOW, I must say this is out of hand. If there are, and I suspect officers on here back and fourth with this guy named "Punisher" aka Denu (from what I suspect and read into), STOP! This man is trying to pull you into the mud it seems he has created. To the officers responding, be professional. Stick to the article at hand. Don't lower yourself to this persons level.
more confusing is why someone from newark de is concerned about aberdeen md and who thinks he knows denu?
Frank Castle says
So I take it you dont know Frank G
dont think so
and why steal my name
Frank Castle says
So you are Rick Denu and who stole your name?
Punisher – I could ask the same question that you ask Frank G. about everyone on the transition team who lives outside the City. They have been accepted to make recommendations about our City so why not let Frank G have a say too?
I love this quote:
“They need to calm down and let things take a normal course. Be patient.”
There is nothing normal about what is going on in this new administration.
30 people to transist a small town?
Disgruntled ex-employees on the transition team?
Non city residents on the transition team?
A mayor who not only refuses to meet with a city organization at their request but doesn't even so much as respond to two invitations except through a quote from Helton?
I could go on.
when things get normal, maybe patience will emerge.
In the Know says
The FOP is NOT a city organization, it is fraternal organization. Duh!
Frank Castle says
Punisher A.K.A Rick Denu your name should be Punish Her for what you did to that poor woman.
Frank Castle says
I have not seen anyone using the name Rick Denu.
Duh, I get that – thats the name!
It is however made up of every single member of the Police Department at is purpose is to represent those officers and thier interests which is exactly what they have been requesting a meeting to discuss.
Man – if “Duh!” is the most intelligent thing you can add, I think it applies to you more than anyone.
Rickey went back to “In the Know”! How original! The whole “Punisher” was getting old anyway. Good luck to you Rickey and your new name!
I am truly concerned for aberdeen, it's citizens, it's employees, it's officers, and all the innocent people that just happen to be passing through. I think the entire city's government is a huge conspiracy. My heart goes out to the officers that risk their lives everyday and for what? Not to be addressed by the mayor? I don't know why they do it, put up with all the crap, and all the rumors about everything being taken away from them just for protecting the city. Aberdeen is the last place I'd want to live next to edgewood. I have never in my life seen a prostitute……until I came to aberdeen. Then a month or so later I saw several articles in the paper about operations they performed to possibly remove prostitution from the streets. I guess I don't understand why everyone isn't on the same page. The police department's #1 job: Keep the city safe!! Thats it!! Why is everyone making that so hard for them to do. Give them what they need to do it and support them or leave them the hell alone. I hope aberdeen's government can get it's stuff together because I would hate to see the crime rate in the next two years if the mayor keeps acting like this.
P.S.- THE GOVERNMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE ON THE SAME TEAM FOR THE SAME PURPOSE!! KEEP THE CITY SAFE!! SO MIKE BENNETT YOU'D BETTER SHAPE UP AND LEARN TO SPEAK UP!!!!!!
vietnam vet says
all the officers are asking for is fair representation. I think we can afford to give them that. I’ve never met one I would want to call a jerk’
as a matter of fact they were very professional in speech & manner. dirt swept under the rug? most likely. no need to point fingers.
they take care of there own.
I’ve just finished reading all the blogs and you are all missing the point.
Point 1: S. Fred is working behind the scenes–STILL–and to think differently is fullish. Why would S. Fred be in city hall? If he were a man he’d move on like the previous mayor’s have done. Instead he chooses to stir the pot.
Point 2: Everything that I’ve read shows insecurities.
Point 3: Let the process work. Who knows, the town may come out in the end better off.
Point 4: Trust me Rudy is behind many of these blogs. He is afraid for his job and he should be.
Rudy if you are out there and reading, “it’s time to do yourself and your department justice and retire!”
S. Fred stopped by to see some old friends and offer his support. And I don’t think Rudy would be caught dead mingling with the trash on the blog. (I stoop this low because I like it!)
Funny how you waited till after the T-Team meeting to post (under a new name too!)
Frank G says
Punisher on December 5th, 2007 2:39 pm you asked : “why someone from newark de is concerned about aberdeen md and who thinks he knows denu?”
Please pay attention closely because I get very agitated when I have to repeat myself. A buddy, who is a LEO like myself sent me the link to this article. As a LEO and member of the Fraternal Order of Police, after reading this article I am disturbed as to why the Mayor will not respond to the invitation to meet with the FOP. As to me “thinking” I know Denu, I never said I know Denu. In fact, I don’t however from reading your posts and the others, it is obvious to me you are this man they (the others) call Denu, or very closely related to Denu. It does not take a genius or detective to figure this out. In fact, I think my third grader could figure it out if I allowed her to read these posts.
From reading all these post Mr. “Punisher” it seems that you are a know it all and have all the answers. I see that you did respond to some of my questions however no one can tell me who Helton is or why he speaks for the Mayor? Is the Mayor, a so called police officer, afraid to speak, speak to the FOP, or does he know he cannot BS another police officer???
Again for any officers directly related to the City of Aberdeen, do not fall into the “trap” or stoop to the level of this guys/gals like “Punisher” or any other ignorant “know it all.” Stay professional, stay strong!!! Remember, the FOP represents over 324,000 law enforcement officers, with over 2000 lodges. This is minor and I am sure with a few calls, your state lodge can and will assist. I truly doubt the Mayor would want that type of response.
what is wrong with y says
I am always amused when someone posts about how terrible the blogs are, filled with pot stirrers, etc., and then they proceed to do exactly what they complain about. You're pretty amped, huh? Truth be told, you're reading this string for entertainment value, same as anyone else. That's the beauty of The Dagger–news and entertainment you can join in on. But if you don't like the "crap, muck, and jibjabs," feel free not to log on.
You made some comparisons and statements that are completely invalid and false. And because your attempt was to be condescending to those using this forum, I've got to call you out.
First, after berating the posters, you make some vague statement about Simmons taking just as long as Bennett to make decisions about the police department. Back it up. The police officers on this blog know one thing if nothing else–Fred Simmons had their back. No RSVP, no comment other than through a mouthpiece that tells them to "calm down"? Inexcusable, and nothing like the past administration.
You make a comparison between hiring Steve Wright to do a job and the unpaid transition team? These two situations seem pretty far away from each other, but I realize it was just an attempt to get another dig in at S.Fred.
Finally, here's the best ever, and I quote you: "He will make the right decisions because he will be hearing what YOU ALL NEED. The people on the team are tools. Instruments gathering information from the employees and citizens to give YOU what YOU need and want. Hello?"
Well, he won't be hearing us, because he won't respond to invites. And the team will have a hard time giving us what we want and need–since our votes have already shown that we didn't want or need three of them in office. Why would we want them to help "gather information" for Aberdeen's political future now? Another instance where the people spoke and will not be heard. Hello?!
what is wrong with the picture says
I have seen so much dysfunction on this blog. Me me’s this is all you are! Do any of you have any compassion? Do any of you see that there are just a few dysfunctional people stirring the pot and making all kinds of trouble? The police department has many good people there. There just happens to be a group that have nothing in their lives so they live off of this type of behavior. What sort of private lives do these people have? Most do not have anything solid. They know this more than anyone. What a bunch of crap.
Yes, Mayor Bennett is taking a bit more time making desisions regarding the police department, no more than Simmons, I might add when he made some departmental decisions. At least he is not paying the transition team $100 K like what was paid to Wright and without any documented workshop deciding on this. This team is to HELP, not hurt. You guys are just too stuck in your muck to realize what is important.
Oh and Mayor Bennett, he just buried his sister in law yesterday. She lost her battle with cancer and she has been going down hill for over a month (timeline familiar as it is in line with when he was voted in). The man was apparently very close to this woman, as what one would expect. I am sure I would have to explain this to this group of people, but family is first and foremost.
I see him rising above all of this muck and surprising each and everyone of you. He will make the right decisions because he will be hearing what YOU ALL NEED. The people on the team are tools. Instruments gathering information from the employees and citizens to give YOU what YOU need and want. Hello? Why not use all this energy to HELP yourselves? Why? Because this is all you really have. Life would be very boring if you didn’t have this type of thing on your agenda’ s each day.
The people of this City of yours voted Mayor Bennett in. What part of this don’t you understand? Get over it and why not use these survey’s to help yourselves. Don’t try fooling everyone, but mostly yourselves by saying you all lived in the perfect little world when Fred was in. No way! There was complaining and whining then too. Give it a break and grow up! Very foolish.
There are so many lies and rumors on this blog, it is just disgusting.
Further, why not change this blog to the new APD rumor central. The jibjabs were comical.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE: You can’t change your vocabulary or conversations style Rickey. About the only phrase you didn’t use is “Harry High School Crap”.
And I’ll tell why your little fact finding mission won’t be conducted fairly. Because you and your little team will only meet with a “select few” employees. Why not meet with ALL OF THEM? because you are afraid of what you might hear from the majority.
And, I find it hard to believe that Bennett had time to meet with everyone else but the police because of his sister-in-law. We know he doesn’t like us because we supported Simmons. He said so before the election. Then his confidant Helton (and his wife) continue to voice their displeasures with the police.
Trust goes both ways says
To the point of the orignal article…
trust goes both ways. If the new mayor was even the least bit interested in instilling confidence and trust in the people he will need to work with and depend upon to continue to fight crime and preserve safety in aberdeen, why would he not even respond to the letters or show up and introduce himself. Per the article, the original letter went out three weeks ago – how long does it take to pick up the phone or have someone type up a letter acknowledging the letter, the concerns and either set up a meeting or give a reason for not doing so?
I dare say most of us have the courtesy to RSVP one way or another to formal invitations…its just polite – how are the officers to interpret the lack of ANY response?
In my opinion the silence speaks volumes.
It seems to me the FOP letter was an attempt to open dialogue and the lack of response set the tone for a lot of what is coming out on this blog.
But we all knew Bennett’s (or should I say Helton’s) dislike for the police BEFORE the election. They hate anything having to do with Simmons, look how fast they rid City Hall of all signs Simmons. The damn Bell was gone before the first council meeting.
And everyone knows Simmons had his fingerprints all over the police department. He still does, and I don’t think anyone would ever be able to change that. He’s done more for that department, and the City in general, than ANY other Mayor EVER has. Look it up Rickey.
Check it out says
This might be old news, but it really seems worthy of some investigation. Why is the Director of Planning/Zoning the only city EMPLOYEE on the transition team? Everyone is up in arms about Denu, Dewitt, and Helton – and rightfully so – but I think the bigger story is one of the City’s department heads sitting on the transition team that is now the judge, jury, and future executioner of other Aberdeen employees. Other than her documented disdain for Simmons (which was good enough for Helton), what qualifies her to make judgments about her colleagues and coworkers? It is especially ironic when you look at her attendance record over the past couple of years – which I assume is public record since she is a relatively highly compensated city employee.
Take or leave Simmons or Bennett (Aberdeen got what they deserved on that one)… but not that much good/bad can be done or undone by an elected official with a two year term. Even more insidious is a non-elected “official” of Aberdeen working back channels at City Hall, effectively campaigning for Bennett and involving herself politically, and eventually turning on their own.
Not to mention the obvious; but what possible reason would Art have to want the Director of PLANNING AND ZONING in his good graces?
I implore the Dagger to look into this issue through a journalists eye, so I’m not forced to believe all of these rumors and heresay.
Is Rick hoping to get a human resources job with the City out of this? Why would anyone bring up her lack of a degree on a blog pertaining to the FOP requesting to meet with the mayor? Why Rick, why?
its not the first time either – someone is hung up on this degree thing…even though that someone has more than one name – I would bet its the same person.
The name says it all.
Not boring at all, actually… but unfortunately not surprising either if it is true.
no i did answer the questions i could. isnt that what freddy called his pet squad?
wrong, im mature enough to know whats right and wrong and what true friends are however rick go ahead turn your back on my family as you did fred, joe… oh wait your friends with him again.
The Man says
No you didn't. Why are they a beat down squad and who is in this squad?
dont know ask fred…i aint seen half of em fight
The Man says
As I thought. You make the statement and won't back it up with fact. All we get is go ask Fred. Fred didn't make the comments, you did.
The Man says
Is he talkin bout 5? What's he ever done to Denu?
The Man says
Ok "Punisher", I'll wait for you to come up with a brilliant response so fitting for a "man" of your intellect.
vietnam vet says
it would appear rick denu, is a man who is feared by the police department. should’nt be a conflict of interest’ he no longer work’s there.
reading this blog’we would think he was the only’ officer that had a charge against him.
maybe we should do a refresher course and see who else has been involded in some caper’s at the department.
and I might add are still working. those case’s became public. well most anyway. it does not change the fact’ they were good officers doing a tough job. my assumption is the department pass’s judgement, on and officers conduct according to the severity of the charges.
I don’t think a witch hunt by a transition team’ is like’ly to change anything.
Agreed S – not boring at all since the current Planning and Zoning Director is another department head without a college degree. I think, if I remember correctly she started as a secretary back in the day before Welsh.
frank g. why are u better than everyone else because ur a cop?
Why does everyone slide to the sidelines when someone mentions the name ‘rudy’ in this blog?
jason your a idiot you and the boys keep slammin him but when someone passes along some truth cause ive heard it myself you cant handle it
difference was that the crap you guys a postin about him is lies and what im postin is the truth isnt it
fred is dead and whos blamin him anyway he said it came out of his mouth plenty you gonna deny that
2008 is our future whether you like it or not. so let us start a new dialoge. What do you expect from the Aberdeen government in 2008. What should members of the community expect?
go ahead herb your boy mac talks too much
The Man says
No I agree he made the "beat down tactics" comment and it was ill advised. I'm challenging your gross misrepresentation of it and am asking you who is on this crew. You won't answer me though and you, I and most everyone on this blog knows why don't we?
no tell me
The Man says
The comment in the papers was directed as the tactics of the agency as a whole, not a specific unit. FACT
Check it out
and i thought the human resources director was the only one with a high school education. i would like to know how many personnel lawsuits transpired since the HS Edu. personnel was hired.
How much money did this cost the residents for the lack of experience/
nobody wants to play anymore?
Merry Christmas to All and to All a Goodnight!
Seriously though, consider this something of a word of caution on multiple fronts:
1) This is not why The Dagger was born. This is not a mosh pit or cess pool. This is a place for rational, relevant and civilized discussion of interesting topics.
2) At this point we have a handful of people, all of whom know one another, arguing back and forth ad nauseum. Realize this does not make your opponent look bad. It makes both of you look bad. It makes those who are connected to you look bad. It makes those who may have some inkling of interest in the actual truth turn away in disgust. It makes us all look bad.
The Dagger has been quite liberal in allowing nearly every sort of comment to be published. Unfortunately, this benefit is being abused by a small group of individuals – gee, that's a familiar sounding tune. Don't try to ruin this for everyone because, believe me when I say you will only be ruining it for yourselves.
You can mess with one another all you like, but don't bring it here. You can't mess with us.
hey fyi you obviously have a history. how much did rudy or simmons pay you to write your last comment? you must think the residents and readers are gullible. Believe me when I say that WE residents have done our homework.
Not sure I understood your post, Jimmy . Are you concerned about the lack of eductation/degree or the lack of experience or both? Are there issues that you know about with a job not beeing done correctly by these individuals? Or do you believe policies should change so that a degree is required for these positions?
??++))((!?! You do the math Z
education + experience = monetary gain for employee
lack of ecuation + experience = secretary
eduation – experience = entry level with hopes to prmote
Brians taking away all the fun. so anyway how about the weather?
was it ok for swain to attack denu? what he stated in his commentary was not the truth and we never discussed this at a meeting or voted on it either.
Sounds like someone has an agenda to me.
BTW – I make spelling mistakes like everyone on blogs, but, if you are going to put a post out there about the high value of education, you should spell check first…it looks silly to mispell the word education…
The Man says
He didn't attack you in the article. What he said was the truth was it not? Anyone affiliated with the agency should not be part of the transition team. It makes no difference whether they are a current or previous employee. The potential for a conflict of interest is too great.
cripes – history yes and interesting you bring up being paid off when talking about the only department head left from the Wilson/Dacey administration where “favors” were common.
The Man says
Everyone who works for the agency has people they like and dislike and things they agree with and disagree with. It's like that in any job. Someone who does or has worked for the agency cannot be completely objective. It's impossible. That's the argument.
The Man says
Lastly, you weren't at our meeting. You aren't a member anymore.
No it isnt the truth. He did not leave under any investigation and especially one that he started. I asked him the same question about this so called investigation and he gave me a copy of an email from the trooper who is doing a inquiry about promotion and several other things at the chiefs request and not as a result of rick complaining. if u wanna see it go ask him yourself.
The second statement you made leadds me to belive that the chief or others in the chain of command didnt explain to you and several others obvious that the mayors advisory team isnt looking at personnel or persnnel issues. I know that a fact cause I've heard the sarcasm from the bosses too. But what I did was go right to the source like any of you could but dont. Maybe you should.
Last I know for fact that Denu isn't out to screw anyone. He s always looked out for everyone even if he didnt care for them.
No. I already said I wasnt there. I had family in town and yes I am a member.
The Man says
Punisher where are you? I’m still waiting for your response to my questions. C’mon Rick you didn’t make accusations that you can’t backl up with proof did you? I have a new slogan for you. “Denu for you unless you don’t agree with me”.
Just another in the long, long string of rumors being pushed around by the punisher.
rudy and hartman are the only two dept heads left
i think if you go after rickey better come correct.
i wasnt at the last meeting but i asked around and nobody voted on any of this happening. guess swain and the boys are on their own adgenda. like nobody knew.
he keeps handin himself the rope doesnt he. byw hows fred plaque comin along?
The Man says
Are you kidding me? That’s your pathetic response to my questions? You didn’t even answer them all. By the way we aren’t coming after you…we’ll just wait for you to come to us. Seems to be working so far.
ps dont we have a chief and a chain thats supposed to take care of tellin us the crap u wrote in the letter w/o our permission?
what r u trying to say they arent doin their jobs?
As a highschool student i though we had alot of drama, until i read these rediculous responses to this article. WOW i act older then you guys/girls. My amazing new brother in law, is a hard working honest far LEO and a amazing asset to the apd. Our new mayor should be conserned with his employee’s thoughts, opinions, and welfare. Mr.Mayor step up to the plate and be like Fred Simons….someone who is concerned about there employee’s and public safety.
Fred if your reading this, i miss eating lunch at school with you.
broookee coookieee !
i aswered you just didnt like the answer
Don’t you know? In his mind EVERYBODY did something to wrong him! That’s why he turns on everybody.
brooke go to bed its past you bed time. your getting in to stuff thats not ur business
actually your the one who brought it up.
so grow up ! (:
and i dont have a curfew thankss
The Man says
keep waitin man
no, im getting off now. cause you really need
to grow up
The Man says
You think I actually expect an answer? I know you won’t give me one and here’s why. Your comments were false and malicious and you won’t name this “crew” because you’re scared.
why do u keep whippin a dead dog? fred made the name in the paper. not me rick or anyone else
PUNISHER aka Rick…Why am I being woke up on my night off to view comments and personal attacks on y family and me. FIRST and FOREMOST I AM the one who asked the Dagger during the election to removed the personal attacks on your family.
Rick, give it a rest. Had you been honest with me about your strategy in assisting the ACT group and Bennett (which by the way Dagger, he is VERY closely lined with), in ousting Fred Simmons, our friendship would be stronger. Keep leaving me your voice mails, they ARE entertaining.
The Man says
No he didn’t moron. I quote “beat down tactics” and he was referring to the ENTIRE agency. How do you get beat down crew from that? Come on try again. Still no names.
The Man says
Don’t change attacks to someone else punisher…focus…focus
The Man says
Do you have a headache yet Rick?
no im feeling it
The Man says
If it’s true then back it up. I’m giving you the opportunity and you won’t. You made comments that you refuse to provide proof to. All you do is blame Fred. Fred didn’t make the comments on here you did.
Punisher – Get real. You want to talk truth, IDENTIFY YOURSELF…oh wait…you don’t to be TRUTHFUL with the readers. Peace!
Come on people. Seriously speaking… nothing is on topic and it gets old reading through the mudslinging. But I do have one question, why all the third person reflections?
The subject of the "Transition Team" invokes alot of passion around the PD because of all the threats made by Mr Denu. But apparently a new name has surfaced with some false accusations. These comments, that were communicated by phone, are not supported by any facts. There was even an Officer named that the member said he is out to get.
I would advise ALL transition team members to tread very lightly when it comes to making accusations they can't back up. Not only does it give the appearance of a witch hunt, but also opens the door for civil litigation should false allegations become reasons for change. Seems people are forgeting about the lack of crime in Aberdeen and how that directly reflects on the performance of the police department. Maybe they should travel to Edgewood and get a little dose of reality.
What is needed at the PD is support. Support from the citizens and from the politicians. If no one supports the PD, then the officers are apprehensive to go above and beyond what the minimum standards are. Officers begin to feel unappreciated and thus begin not to get involved in the community. And that is a bad thing for everybody.
I know Councilman Hiob is supportive of the PD, but we need more people to come forward. The negativity that has been spread all over the www is nonsense. The officers at your PD have done an outstanding job. I can't remember a time when there was such low crime rates. The Officers should be rewarded for the job they do everyday, not bashed on the web and certinly not targeted by a misguided witch hunt.
Check it out says
So no new insights on Grover and how she was able to get on the transition team after 4 months off prior to the election?
"Comcerned" I think that you got this back on track. You are correct in the police needing support. The mayor and council has to support the police with pay, equipment, and benefits, the public has to support the police by calling and reporting crime and obeying laws, and the police have to support the police by backing up each other, keeping it professional, and letting personal differences off of the job stay off of the job.
What I get from this whole scenario is that the mayor, the top voter getter, has not met with the police. He is the voice of the majority of the voters so the majority of the voters must not have a whole lot to say to the police. Not so much as a simple introduction. It's either that or Art Helton, as political handler, hasn't felt the need to interact with the police department. For personal reason, personal attack, laziness, or not having the time (no one knows because he hasn't said) the mayor has snubbed his police force. Something that I'm certain will be remembered in 2009.
I am further led to believe that the transition team has at least one member who has a negative history with some members of the police department and this individual may or may not have made some type of threats. I would have a problem with this too. If it's not a witch hunt, if it's not a favor to allow for some payback (deserved or not), then remove this person from the process, keep them and the process smells. The same goes for the director of planning and zoning being on a transition team. Again, something that I'm certain will be remembered in 2009.
Sounds like there are some R.O.U.S.'s in the Aberdeen transition team.
Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
I’m on the Brute Squad.
Miracle Max says
You *are* the Brute Squad!
And Buttercup and Westley tie for best posts of the week! Thank you all for entering. Your no-prize's will be delivered shortly.
I won!!! says
Are you talking about the director of planning and zoning? Now that would win a prize!
vietnam vet says
Brian I don't think the dagger has reached cesspool dimension's yet. I'am not sure it settle's anything either' but it's certainly interesting to read.
where is the mayor? why won't he respond back to the police? at the very' least the police chief.
it is some what disturbing to see people that lost the election.
takeing place in the witch hunt.so there for we must assume' these people had certain qualifications. in certain fields, he deemed important enough to add them to his personal council.
it would appear some fear for there job's. if there doing it properly' I would'nt worry' time will tell.
This Director of Planning thing intrigues me… one could argue that is so much worse than our absentee mayor. The director is a position of longevity – and the chances of City Hall being a cohesive unit when one of them is a decision maker on this transition team is effectively zero.
I've asked around – and this is heresay admittedly – but rumor has it that she is nearly as absentee as Bennett – only receiving a full time salary. She also stopped working completely the months prior to the election to maintain a backroom presence in Bennett's campaign. I wonder how many permits were issued during the months she was gone? I bet Helton got his miraculously.
Brian – I think this a good story, and I agree with Check it out that I'd like to know what's true and what's not.
The Man says
From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Mike Webster; Trabert, Henry; Smith, Stephen; Severn, Albert; ben lay; Steve Johnson; Butch Jansen; Franklin, Mark; Easton, Jason; Dudley, Marilyn; Burke, Anthony; Brown, Margarete; Joe Bray; Milton Alexander; Jon Adams; Amy Adams
I'd like for you to look at how your FOP is respresenting you…
I'm not certain that the majority of you feel this way as many have been silent regarding the issues at the police department.
In saying so, please let me know if this is the case and I will graciously bow out of any attempts to make APD a better place for you. If this is not the case then please step up to the plate and vioce your concerns to the appropriate people and ensure that they are working with you on a common goal of attaining better pay and benefits and also a more pleasant work environment you can all be comfortable.
Hey Rick, why was this e-mail only sent to these few people? Three are not active/voting members of the FOP and guess what? Another 3 don't even agree with you. Two of them sent it to me unable to believe that you thought they supported you. Everyone should know this is another weak attempt to gain support. The extreme majority are against you being on this team because it's inappropriate and you know it.
Why was Steve Johnson on that email from Denu? Please somebody tell me that there is an officer named Steve Johnson, please.
Let's all go to the meeting on Monday night and ask about this stuff. And for the record it does not matter where you live as evidenced by the CAVE people last year (Citizens Against Virtually Everything).
I love it.
I almost choked on my dinner when I read that.
vietnam vet says
steve johnson work's for the police department as and auxillary. he's sent and e-mail. rick denu is under investigation', for who know's what.
and as far as the council it's doubtfull if they' know there way home.
answer's? I doubt it. double talk most likely' which will accomplish nothing. which is not surpriseing.
I'am seeing rick denu's name being brought up as a conflict of interest? he no longer work's for the p d.
is he so dangerous he can bring down the roof on the p.d.?
Wish I could take credit… CAVE was a classic S. Fred-ism.
I am curious too…
per the Punisher, there are "seventy plus members" of the FOP. Is that true? And if so, why would Denu only send the email to 16 people, three of which aren't even officers? If he really felt the FOP is misrepresenting the members, wouldn't he want all to know?
Where is the punisher? I was sure he would entertain us tonight!
The Man says
He's in mourning.
Its interesting that in Rick's email, he doesn't mention bowing out of the Transition Team, rather out of "any attempts to make APD a better place for you" .
as if he has has that much power that these folks would suffer without his assistance.
Also, the line about "step up to the plate and vioce your concerns to the appropriate people and ensure that they are working with you on a common goal of attaining better pay and benefits and also a more pleasant work environment " is ironic….that is EXACTLY what the FOP has been trying to do and WHY they want to talk with the mayor and council!! Guess Rick thinks the only way to do that is through HIM??
Apparently Rickey's getting no support from his buddies. If he was why would have to email them. Even the ones who are not officers or FOP members. Seems he doesn't have the majority behind him like he thought. Over 70 VOTING members and he emails only 12 of them? One of them a Captain? Very telling.
What does Paul Harvey say? Oh yea, "…and now, the rest of the story!"
Funny how everything eventually comes out.
Dr Howser says
Yea, and you can tell he sent to the cream of the crop (sarcasim)! What a pathetic display of desperation!
The Man says
Rick, er Punisher…sorry. I have been doing some calculations from Maryland Case Search. I show Swain having a 92% conviction rate, which is outstanding. when I calculate your rate going back to 1998, whcih is as far back as they had, I come up with a 74% clearance rate. I don't expect you to take my word for it so by all means take your time and do the math. Now with those figures how could you write that Swain loses all of his RRT cases. The way I see it he has done in a little over 2 years what you have done in ten. And lets not forget that Swain was chosen by a majority vote of all officers in the Aberdeen Police Department as the Officer of the Year for 2006. Or are you claiming that was rigged to like the promotions? Lastly, maybe you can explain to the citizens why when you up and quit the department you failed to go to any of your oustanding court cases causing the State's Attorney's Office to have to drop the cases allowing the various criminals back onto the streets. You turned your back on the citizens and now you claim to be so concerned over conviction rates for the department.
My name is Dan Gosnell, I have read alot of the crap on this blog and wish to make a few points. I was in charge of RRT ( the so-called beat down squad) for a year since its creation. I would be happy to discuss my conviction rate with anybody in person if they wish. Just this past week a defendant was sentenced to 2 years to serve on a RRT search warrant case from earlier in the year. I don't like when people wish to criticize my work or the work of my officers through the spineless anonymity of the internet.
In reference to FOP issues- Dave Swain has the full support of the attending membership of the FOP. He reached out to the Mayor at our request. Unlike some people on this blog I was actually at the meeting when we decided to do so. If you notice I worded that first statement very carefully. The "attending" membership gives full support. For whatever reason those so called members who disagree with our decisions never show up to the meetings to voice opinions or be heard. If you disagree with something we do maybe you should actually show up and let us know what you think rather than hiding behind a screenname and voicing an opinion that has no merit because it has no identity. For the record, attendance numbers are about the same for FOP meetings now as they were under Joe Bray and Rick Denu. The same 10 -15 members who actually cared then are still the ones who care now. Mr. "Punisher" you once said if you come after Rick Denu you better "come correct". Well I repeat the same to you good sir. If you wanna come after our FOP and our department YOU better "come correct". Contact me personally if you want. If you wish to do it privately in an off duty setting I'll even buy you dinner. Keep up the good work Dave Swain, your doing a hell of a job.
It sounds and looks to me as though the disgruntled former or ought to be former employees have been told enough by Dan to satisfy anyone's curiosity. Thanks Dan, you've always been a good cop and a decent human being.
oh. that's why he tells crooks that they are being looked at. or should i say have a lackey do it for him.
OK everyone, I totally appreciate the comments and statements but isnt there a point in which everyone should give up "personal feelings" and step up for the city. Some citizens are really losing respect for certain people and it does affect the respect for APD. I think that everyone is doing the best they can with what they are given.
Also, kudos to the ones in the dept that actually stated their names and own their words. If you believe in something, even if you are wrong at least own up to it.
Lyle Kelvin says
I just wanted to say Hi to the guys from the sand box, be back soon!
Man, what has happened to APD? Isn't our unit suppose to be joined at the hip? Cut a finger and share blood.
We are a brotherhood. Don't let outsiders or politicians tear us apart! Come on guys remember our oath…don't fall apart. Remember we always have each others back.
We need to stay together in spite of them!!! We are a family.
Remember what we were taught in the academy and on the street, we always look out for our partners back because when we are out there they are the only one who has our back.
what to stick a knife in?
Happy petition collecting by the way.
Tim aka LYLE says
Hey I just said hi from Iraq and no one said Hi back im a lil Hurt cause i know i have worked with most of u jack@#$
In the Know says
They are so wrapped up in the drama of the day, worrying about themselves as usual. They cannot even take the time to respond to you while you are fighting for all of us in Iraq. Be safe and we are praying for all of you.
One who really cares
Dave Yensan says
I don't read this stuff more than every couple of weeks, so just caught your post. I would guess things are better in the sandbox than they are around here right now. Is there anything that you need or want that we can send other than our prayers and good thoughts? I would guess you know that we think about you guys and I for one truly appreciate your sacrifice. We look forward to seeing you back here in the land of the big PX and round door knobs soon.
vietnam vet says
josh it's a weeding process. the weak must be culled. word's are spoken' but deed's are what count's.
a word of advice from and old,master gunnery sargent. when they call you' friend and pat you on the back' there looking' for a soft spot to stab you in the back.
If we are to travel through this world always looking over our shoulder for the next person to stab us in the back then we have lost ourself and become skeptical of the world. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be cautious, but we have to trust people, especially our brothers, if we want to live a normal life. I will agree that most people are motivated by something. But, there are also those who believe in people and hope that their intentions are pure.
We are not at war with each other. We are a family; especially law enforcement. Let's leave it up to Tim to fight the war with our enemies.
vietnam vet says
there certainly' seem's to be disorder. in the police department.I would'nt hardly call that a band of brothers'
the mayor is a brother. and won't respond to the fop or anybody else.lot's of bickering.going on.just be sure you' know who your friends are.
Tim aka LYLE says
Hey Dave all is good here, the only thing i need is a plane ride home. The army is not what it use to be ,and that is all i will say about that.
Hang in there Tim. We miss you and need you back with us. Stay safe!
Come home soon Timmy, we miss you. In the mean time, know we are all thinking about you and Chris. Don't forget the first round is me when you get mid-tour.
So since everyone uses false names, who is using MAcs he is never this nice! Haha sorr y Dad!
You know your my b@tch of a son. Who took care of you at the hospital? Two times wasn't it?
The one was ur fault any way u jinxed me, and my mom is stille scarred.
Look Timmy, don't worry about all the garbage you read on this blog. Nothing on here by people not using their real name is truthful. It's just politics as usual. I have your place here at APD reserved for you when you get back. Someone even put that picture of you and Chris up over the water fountain. Just keep you head down and we'll take care of all the garbage here.
I hear you, but stay tough. It's a shame you won't be here for our little Christmas lunch on Tuesday. But you better be there on St Pat's! Tell Chris I said hello too. See you son, stay safe!
Whats up Tim-
Can't check this all the time, took awhile to see that you posted. Can't wait to get you back here fighting the good fight. St. Patty's day can't come soon enough. We miss you brother!!
On topic- To Josh, if you work for APD I hope that you see that the BS on here does not affect how we do business on the street. Wether we get along personally or not, if you wear that uniform and need help you will get it.
TIMMMMMMMY – Ash and I say HELLO TIMMMMMMMY! Can't wait to see you back in the blue and gray, and Chris in the brown/tan, or whatever MSP wears.
On Topic – Well after reading all the post and negativity, I will simply say this about the article. It is a shame that our Mayor refuses to meet with the FOP or introduce himself to the police officers. I thought our Mayor was going to be above and beyond all the BS from the campaign trail and negativity still ongoing.
I am sure our Mayor reads these articles and posts. Setting aside the issue with Denu on the transition team, I am certain that the FOP President and executive board would like to open a line of communication and talk straight up about the mission and goals of the FOP. I am almost positive the DENU issue is last on that list. It be nice to have the open line of communication and begin talks about LEOPS. In 2010 several officers are eligible for retirement. Those officers have given 20, 25 plus years to the Citizens of Aberdeen. In fact, many of you know Sgt. Testerman….30 plus years day and night to the Citizens of Aberdeen. It is time people like he and their families get a retirement second to none. LEOPS is that. For years the City of Aberdeen has underfunded the current retirement. How many more years is Sgt. Testerman going to have to work? The man should be home spending time with his family, enjoying retirement, enjoying life, since a lot of his life was spent serving the Citizens. Many holidays not at home, many nights away from what is most important, ones family.
I urge the Mayor to put this non-sense behind and lets move forward. I urge the Citizens to contact the Mayor and Council and help get this ball moving. Remember, The Officers in Aberdeen….24/7, 365…PROTECTING YOUR FAMILIES AND OURS.
Ha ha, sad thing is i will trade this here for that garbage any day. Makes me miss the officers room. This is a loss cause here.
Well said Jason. Only one small error: The Mayor probably doesn't read these posts. He has either Helton, Bennett, or Grover read them for him and then tell him what to think.
Meant Helton, Johnson or Grover!
Denu may be posting on here, but I don't believe as the Punisher.
It's Joe Bray!!
Did anyone read the article about the RRT team and the camera surveillance program receiving an award from the state at a luncheon tomorrow? I certainly hope that Mayor Bennett or Elliott aren't accepting for the City. But I guess that would be sop for this bunch of hypocrites.
They already said they weren't
They weren't what?
going to accept the awards from the governor
Does "FOP" stand for "Frequently Obstinant People" or Fraternal Order of Police?
So this is how you go about discussing your issues? Why not walk next door and talk to the Mayor man to man? He does only live next door to the station.
Old Cop says
I have lived in the town of Aberdeen all of my life. This is the way I see it.
All of you police officers are thinking about is MONEY, MONEY,MONEY.
In the history of Aberdeen, There has never been a police officer killed,shot ,
or wounded . Yes we have some petty crimes here, just like every town &
in the whole world. Simmons used the FOP with alot of promises to get
elected, and you fell for it hook ,line & sinker. Do you think maybe Mayor
Bennett may not want to get the APD involved in the politics of the city as
simmons did. Simmons ran the city and the police dept. The chief was
his personal driver & body guard. Wen he walked the streets of Aberdeen,
he had a police officer follow him around town just out of sight, & you know
this is true. If you all want more money for the job you do, then go to big
city where you can get it. But remember in the big city you just might get
shot at or even killed. IT IS YOUR CHOICE, FOR THE MONEY.
Seriously Old Cop, your missing the point. He won't meet with the FOP "man to man", send some of your advice Bennetts way.
Old Cop says
I did not miss the point. Go back and read what Tim said in his post.
Whwre did he say that he would rather be? Maybe you would rather be
over there in Irac dodging bullets or keeping away from suicide bombers.
Isn't it nice to be here in good ol safe Aberdeen! I would say so.
I wish you and all of the guy's & gal's over there all the luck in the world.
You all come back now,SAFE AND SOUND.
Frank G says
"Old Cop": I am very disturbed by your comments. I don't care what size police department you work for, the chance is there to get seriously injured or killed. Log onto the Officer Down Memorial Page ( http://www.odmp.org ) or visit the National Police Officer's Memorial in Washington, D.C. You will see the names of men and woman from all over this country, from departments smaller than Aberdeen and larger than NYPD. ALL police officers, fire fighters, and EMS….deserve the VERY best we (as citizens) can provide. The thankless job of any emergency provider is just that! Away from their families….at dinner or at a funeral and the call to respond. Christmas, Thanksgiving, hell trying to make Church on Sunday…they are on duty all the time. Referring to police officers, if they are in a mall with their family and something goes down….they have a duty to act…but it's okay not to make sure them and their families are taken care of right? "Old Cop" I really don't think you have experienced the life or day or night of a police officer. Maybe that is why you are not a cop anymore or maybe you are so disgruntled. When I go to my friends/partners grave site this Christmas with his family, I will surely tell him "Old Cop" thought he was all about money.
I don't believe the issue is money with the F.O.P. locally, however retirement from what I am read and what I am told. Putting that aside, it appears the BIGGER issue is a man who is a police officer now Mayor will not meet and discuss ANYTHING with the Fraternal Order of Police.
To all my fellow brothers and sisters in Aberdeen and Iraq (Tim or Lyle), God Bless you all…stay safe…."Old Cop" thinks Aberdeen is like Disney…The safest place on earth."
An Aberdeen Voter says
After reading through all these posts, I'm a little confused about the issue.
It is my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) is essentially a union and that the chapter or local or whatever it's called representing Aberdeen also consists of officers from Bel Air and Havre de Grace; clearly individuals outside Mr. Bennett's jurisdiction. Does every member of the Aberdeen Police Department (APD) have to be a member of the FOP? Is it the FOP Mr. Bennett hasn't acknowledged and met with or is it the APD? or are the two so intertwined that meeting with one group is essentially meeting with the other? If any of the above is true, then wouldn't it make sense for Mr. Bennett to hold off meeting with the FOP (APD) until he has a little better understanding of past interactions between the City and the FOP/APD, particularly since the FOP represents more than just the APD?
What I had said had nothign to do with Tim's post, maybe you should go back and read it.
All I was responding to was your point that they should walk over and see Bennett face to face, man to man…what I meant to your comment was that they have been trying to get in contact with him and they are told to "be patient". They can't just walk over to City Hall to see him because he is never there. He has a full time job.
Whether or not Aberdeen is safe has nothing to do with what I posted. Aberdeen has become comfortably safe and I am so appreciative of all the men and women who work to make this happen.
"Swain and the FOP sent its first letter to Bennett sometime around Nov. 14 and, when that was met with no response, issued a second, identical letter around Nov. 28 to Bennett and the each member of the Aberdeen City Council."
The FOP does not represent the APD for "City business". That was made sure in the vote two years ago. Although Mayor Simmons led the APD to believe that.
Maybe the letter to the new mayor should have been from the APD, not from the FOP.
An Aberdeen Voter,
The FOP is the FRATERNAL order of police but it goes WAY beyond being a union. They help represent and protect the rights of all the officers in it. There are Bel Air and Havre de Grace officers but as you may or may not know police protect their own. The issue that is wanted to be discussed is Aberdeen's retirement. Imagine the company you work for giving you a retirement package that you cannot even live off of. This is essentially the package offered to APD. I for one know that these men and women work way to hard and deserve more than that. Please understand this is not an attack on what you said but rather a viewpoint from someone else.
Old Cop says
I will repeat what I said before. You cannon expect to get paid big money
or expect to get a big retirement if you work in a small town. the money is not there to afford a large salary or retirement. the town cannot keep raising the taxes
to keep up with the demands of their employees, no matter what their job are.
There are not enough tax payers to support the salary increases. Only large
cities have this kind of capital. And don"t give me any of your bull about no
experience, I had more experience before you were even thought of punk.
Frank G says
Old Cop: Very nice…very professional. I am sure what ever town you work for is proud!
Are you saying that just because they work in a small town means that they dont deserve a decent retirement package? That is certainly how it is coming across and I think that maybe the "money" you are referring to is the pay scale, which none of the officers to my knowledge are even disputing.
Old Cop says
Let me give youa little info on Aberdeen:
The down town main street business dist. is 4 whole blocks.
The route 40 Corridor business is maby 8 blocks.
Now do you call this a big city? Not in my book.
High crime ! No way….
I can handle the car bombs i cant handle big army's attitude twords national guard, should of went active.
I get what old cop is saying i disagree alil with him cause i have scars to prove, and twice before i left for this lil trip someone tried to actively run me over in the course of work, i also think because only certain guys who can handle pro -to actively working to cautch real bad guys is why we dont have more serious injury or fatalities in Aberdeen.
Sorry about the grammer mistakes!
vietnam vet says
all of you' have very good point's but the last time I talked to officer testerman he said he could not retire' because of insurance issue's. for his wife.
I have to agree'it's becomeing a big issue. for one and all.
vietnam vet says
Hey' tim never met you' wishing you' the best. the freedom bird will there in no time to pick you' up. take some advice from and old marine ( grunt) keep your head low & volunteer for NOTHING!….
you will be home in no time.
p.s. I alway's heard the national guard has never been treated as well as the regular troop's?
Also there is an incredible drug problem in the city there is no denying that. The last large case we worked proved that and there are more like it. And I think the fact Aberdeen, at least under the last administration, allowed its officers to do what they do best, unlike the County and other larger agencies making the criminals do their dirty work out in the county where there isn’t as much pressure. Few agencies allow their employees to be cops anymore. One thing I cant stand and that is to waist my time. That is why I left the county, and Transportation Authority , I like to work, I have allot invested in my career to be put some place that doesn’t promote persons to work aggressively, I’m not hear to re-elect some one, I’m not hear to get rich, I like to work. And there is work in Aberdeen, there are criminals in Aberdeen that will fight, will do harm, but because like most agencies only a small percentage of the officers pro-actively go after them . Less incidents occur with officer getting hurt because the officers that have the capabilities are the ones working the criminals. And by criminals I mean career criminals that have felony records from all over the US that have come to lil old Aberdeen. And I like to think I have an idea of how bad things can be with my second tour here. In the grand scheme of things from airplanes being flown into buildings, and woman acting as suicide bombers, Aberdeen is a nice town but it has its problems like any where in the US.
And for the guys that do go after the criminals, Aberdeen has a lilways to go to compete witht he other Agencies as in the case with Testerman.
Actually because of this trip i will never pick onthe marines aagin since they are the only real "line" soldiers left. U have to be SF to really do anything in the army.
reality check says
I agree with Tim – there is a definate drug, and GANG problem in Aberdeen. And they will be more than happy to hear that this new administration wishes to cut down on benefits and/or minimize what they do to support their police department. As Tim said, not all officers are willing to be proactive and its those proactive officers the drug dealers and gangs would like to see gone.
If Aberdeen is lucky, HDG and Belair won't get LEOPS or offer better benefits to their officers because if they do (and I believe they are planning to) some of these guys may decide they can work somewhere other than a 'big city', do some meaningful work AND get taken care of with a reasonable retirement and heck even pay that keeps up with inflation and competition. I don't believe these guys are all about 'MONEY, MONEY, MONEY' as old cop said …if so most would have been gone a long time ago. However, the message that is being sent by ignoring the FOP (and they do represent ALL of the APD officers) is that they are not valued.
Why would any talented, proactive officer who had the option of going right up the street stay for that? More importantly, what kind of officers is Aberdeen going to attract to fill the spots left when the tenured officers finally do get to retire?
Aberdeen may be small in size and population, but don't be fooled it is NOT Mayberry. It has all the crimes of many bigger cities, and the criminals will be more than happy to set up shop and/or expand their activities where they feel they are safe….they don't much care about zip code.
It was the complete opposite in 2003
vietnam vet says
thank's for the reply tim. it's a known fact the army& and marines are alway's at each others throat. but training for parachute etc for marines is under army scutiny.
vietnam vet says
reality check is right. the big & bad have and still visit aberdeen' most popular rte is mark train, in by morning gone by evening….
u.s. marshall's did there thing early one morning, got the dude just as slick as a whistle. liveing with a girl friend in low income houseing….
don't think there's any' dude's carrying gun's? think again they gottam.can't get police fast enough, because there useing walkie talkie phone's
and these people never sleep…….
Anyone that has any doubt about how violent Aberdeen can be, come sign a liability waiver and ride along! Especially you old cop. Oh wait, you'll have to provide a valid ID.
It's never been about the money. It's about taking care of the people who take care of you. Aberdeen has had more than it's fair share of shootings and violent crimes. And if you don't believe that than you are seriously uneducated. As the fact that we have not had an officer killed does not mean there is not the potential. I have seen the potential and thankfully our officers have been able to rely on their training and come out on top.
Timmy, don't get drawn in brother. These people have their own agendas. Hit me an email off line.
Well, the question I posed was not whether Aberdeen was little or big but rather the fact that these men and women DO deserve more. More respect, more courtesy, and more understanding. I think anyone who can scrutinize them should walk a day in their shoes. Its not all fun and games, in fact its rarely fun and never a game.
Old cop, please do everyone a favor and either use your real name and stop trying to avoid the questions asked to you.
vietnam vet says
sandi I don't think it's a matter of who deserves' police yes indeed I agree more money' better benefit's, volunteer fireman. no pay and a dangerous job.they need equipment too. town shop & service's etc.
it's small town with a little money'. property tax's are now higher than ever along with water.and it's putting the squeeze on me. being a legal disability.of which i do not claim. I must work.or else give up my house. prices have dropped 20% percent. sales are lousy'. so I will continue to work or fall dead. & thank god we have police & fire protection.
reality check says
From what I understand, there is supposed to be money coming from the county for law enforcement purposes. So presumably the city could use that to getting these men and women a decent retirement program without raising taxes to do it. If it is truely used for its intended purpose.
As for the house values – they will only sink further if crime is not kept in check. Just look at Edgewood…
The Man says
Everyone want to know who Old Cop is? It's none other than Dave Carter. Another transition team member who was an Aberdeen Officer years ago. Who still thinks we're gonna get a fair shake?
REALITY CHECK that is just it…no one wants to admit that Aberdeen had BIG problems three, four years ago. No one wants to admit that in the last two years under the leadership of S Fred Simmons, Chief Rudy, and Captain Cox….the men and woman of Aberdeen law enforcement busted their butts to make this City the safest it has ever been. I can tell you first hand that the men and woman do not want to lose what it took us so long to get under control. It is the fear of many that without the support of the Mayor, Council, PD administration, and Citizens of Aberdeen, these people that think Aberdeen is a lil' ole' town with no crime…that it will become Edgewood. How many times is Edgewood going to study the study to study the study before action and results go in effect or are seen? You have seen the results in Aberdeen…pretty damn good!!!
The Man says
I also do not think we should have to go find Bennett to talk with him. Don't you think it would be easier for him to stop into a roll call or two instead of 50 officers plus another 10 or so civilians having to go search for him. Anyone making that argument is ridiculous.
Tim and Mac …
Tim is now overseas trying to safeguard us from harms way……..Mac, did just that! Both are heros!
As for police and the statement said that all they want is money, money, money………..well this is my response.
There are two professions that are underpaid. Police and educators. Both professions require special training and both professions can alter our lives and the lives of our future. These two professions place their lives day in and day out on the line, of course in different ways, to make the world better.
So the next time you think about your safety or teaching our children, think about the value you place on it.
It's great to be able to talk to you. Watch out for the sand and keep your eyes open buddy.
reality check says
So true, Josh. And I dont' believe ANY of these officers got in it for the money…there are many less dangerous jobs that could get the same pay. It doesn't mean they should settle for inadequate retirement benefits and pay though. I know I certainly would never have the courage to do what they do and I respect the heck out of them for taking on that risk….if they didn't where would we all be? At the mercy of the gangs and criminals.
you are a hero as well. i remember when you left the comfort of your home and a sound job at APD to travel overseas. You were one of the first called up. You kept your eyes open and came back to us safe. And for that we are thankful.
You're a good man Mac!
The Man says
Dave Carter/Old Cop,
Are you suggesting that beacause the Aberdeen Police Dept has never had anyone shot or killed that somehow makes a difference? Many officers have been wounded by the way. Some minor enough to miss little to no time, some severe enough to miss several months, ask Denu he was one of them. When was the last time an officer was killed in the line of duty in the entire County that was not an accident? How many are killed each year in the state that are not accidents? My point is a cop is a cop no matter if you work Aberdeen or Baltimore.
Right on. Think about professional athletes; especially football players. Their professional careers are shortened because of injuries. Well police officers are inflicted by the same. In pursuit and making split decisions–being subjected to daily mental anguish.
Someone earlier talked about Marines. Marines are no different from a special task force. Think about it. Marines other than Navy Seals are the toughest of the toughest.
That's right Old Cop. Don't forget about NYC. A cop is a cop. We are exposed to more dangers depending on the demographic region but we all have the same drive and flow. A cop can pull over a speeding car on Route 40 in Aberdeen and have a person in the vehicle with a gun. Next thing you know the cop is dead. That simple.
Ok so a cop hasn't been killed in the line of duty in Aberdeen——-the risk is always there.
So what's your point?
reality check says
I truely hope that this 'old cop' is not the same person you are talking about that is on the transition team. If the views he expressed here are the ones he is taking into this 'investigation' and the ones that will undoubtedly influence his recommendations, I fear for the direction the mayor will take with regards to the police department. Pay and benefits aside, as important as they are to recruiting and keeping good officers, the out of touch view he has of Aberdeen is scary.
Anyone in harford county can tell you that Aberdeen has crime problems…whether or not he considers it a 'small town' or not. The crime will come, and it will flourish without a strongly supported police force. I can't imagine what 'policy and procedure' changes could come out from a team influenced by someone who belives that Aberdeen doesn't have serious crimes to tackle and prevent….I believe he stated Aberdeen has 'petty crimes' and "high crime, no way".
That is very out of touch with reality and if Old Cop really is a transition team member, I hope somehow the citizens of Aberdeen who see and are affected by the real crime in Aberdeen every day aren't adversley affe!ted by decisions made by someone who thinks that way.
Old Cop says
Here's to all;
I do not know who Carter is , but you dummies have him tried & convicted.
I am not a cop ,never have been,never will be. Ju1t thought I would get you
all fired up, shoot your mouth off, like all cops do. I am sitting here in my
cell with my laptop having a good old time,HA-HA-HA I get out tomorrow.
The Man…Is that the same Dave Carter that “pushed me away” and talked down to me when we were walking to get signatures for CB&BA? The man that told me he never sees a cop in his neighborhood however I usually work western and am in that neighborhood three times a shift? The same man who told me he never got anything, no one fought for his rights when he was a police officer??? He is part of the Transition Team? Wow….two mad cops of the TT, OUCH!
New cop says
Old cop- nobody uys you arent who you are. Nice try covering it up. It isn't obvious you are lying. "HAhHAHAhahaha" *cough*
To the officers posting on this blog – What are your opinions concerning some of the crime in Aberdeen… is it true that many of the drug dealers who left in the past two years have all come back now that Simmons is out?
Also, don't forget about Grover. I'm going to keep bringing up what an abomination it is that she is on the transition team.
PS… Ironic that today Aberdeen is receiving a reward for the RRT and the camera program…
Hiob, are you still against the binding arbitration?
Do you believe that if the vote went the opposite way two years ago the City would be held hostage by the FOP?
Would our taxes have to go higher just to accommodate the police department and/or would the rest of the City services have to make due with less?
Is there a happy medium?
I don't want any of the police officers to be offended by this post. I do respect the law and police officers in this city. I just want to know if you (police officers) think there is a way to get an acceptable retirement package that you police officers and the rest of the city along with the "residents" can agree on?
I believe any person that puts in their time with "any" organization, agency, local/state/federal government, large company, should have a decent retirement package.
Does it have to involve the FOP?
Is it about how much the retired police officer will be paid or the health benefits once retired? Or both?
Does the rest of the city services have to do with less? )DPW, WWTP, Admin, APD Dispatch, Crossing guards, Garbage men.)
Should the City offer the same retirement package for all city employees who put in there time? 20 years, 25 years or whatever it is. Isn't the city suppose to parody the county now?
The "residents" are the ones that will be paying for this retirement package.
Someone needs to take a good hard look at what "S" said at 4:26. I am hearing that the guys are all back at Washington Park, selling their street corner goodies out of the stairwell.
As far as Grover, it's not just an abomination that she is on the Heltonization squad. It is an abomination that she continues to draw a paycheck from the City. Somewhere in there is the phrase grand larceny. I often wondered if she was going to "borrow" a whole bunch of extra leave and then bail ala Denu. Those 2 along with Bray belong together.
The word is "parity" not "parody" Look it up. There is a huge difference!
And the City isn't "supposed" to parity the County. It is a goal to match them IF the resources are available.
You are correct. I meant "parity" not "parody". My mistake.
I beg to differ with you on the "parity" issue. If you read what one of Hiobs fliers for re-election said, it stated that he got the city to pass parity for all employees. Is this a fact or was his flier just bull—- to get re-elected?
Seeing that you commented on my posting, would you care to comment on all of the topics in it. Not just my wrong word placement.
vietnam vet says
the druggies are being more carefull'about where there selling. there is a positive reduction in the street's. in side hallway's, are very common tradeing areas from prying eye's, bad weather etc. I can tell you those hallway's can be hazardous to your health…..
p.s. there was a very good police officer' by the name of dave carter ( retired ) from aberdeen police department. hey 'dave if it's you your ear's should have been burning. some of the old guy's were talking about you.. wondering what happened to you. all of it being good…..
reality check says
From what I understand there is a strong possibility that the county is going to be providing the city with funds to be used for retirement and pay parity. This money COULD be used for getting a better retirement for the PD (which is what the money is intended for, so that makes sense) WITHOUT raising taxes or cutting from other areas of the budget.
The FOP's job is to represent the police officers needs and issues. What issue do you or should ANYONE have with them fulfilling that role with regards to retirement?
Do you have a personal issue with the FOP in general or is there some reason they should not be fulfiling their purpose in this case?
The PD has an opportunity to get into a better retirement completely separate from the rest of the city – if the money comes from the county, what reasonable argument could be made to NOT use it for that purpose?
Frank G you are full of it. i can read right through you. why be an imposter. i eat people like you for dinner. try pretending to be in the dark with someone who can't see you.
Nice try G.
Just watching says
Everyone of you needs to grow up. The Mayor has alot on his plate and he will get around to everyone. No one is on the chopping block, no one is going to be fired. All you guys / baby's should just wait. The more you piss him off (the Mayor)the less chances we have of getting anything.
We were already told we weren't getting anything anyway, right Ann? And Bennett's been a cop for how long? Why would have to meet with the FOP, he already knows what the issues are from all of his experience as a cop.
Just watching says
Timmy, you stay safe.
Mac, you grow up.
Jason, you step back.
Swain, you get a personality.
This can and will come back to haunt you all one day. Watch what your putting out there for all to see, even the bad guys can read. They dont need to know our buisness. This whole page and all the comments are just funny. All of you on here are like a bunch of lil Hens. A bunch of worried complaining cry baby's.
reality check says
Why would any true 'leader' be 'pissed off' because those impacted by decsions he may make wish to open a dialogue with him? For that matter why would any true 'leader' fail to even acknowledge the request? Great leaders don't necessarily give everyone what they want, but the DO communicate with those impacted and are not 'pissed off' when dissagreements are raised. What would you expect? If I were to email the President of my company with a concern, I am positive I would at least get a response of some kind.
I would bet the same is true of most organizations.
Frank G says
Who can't see in the dark? Anyway ON TOPIC to what others have posted. As "Just Watching" says, please please APD…settle down. One step at a time. Remember, we are all professionals. Let the media get the information out, but slack off on the posts a little. You all are still being drawn in.
It sounds to me like there are City employees posting who resent the fact that the APD received a larger pay increase and may receive better benefits. I guess I could understand that mentality if they were willing to work 24/7 shifts and all holidays and put their life on the line everytime they go to work.
How can anyone on this blog say anything could be agreed to by “residents” of this city when half of the people on the transition team making the recommendations do NOT live in the city and therefore will NOT be paying the bills – including Grover. At least they could have picked an employee who lives in the City
hmmm is right says
Finally someone else who can see these certain few trouble makers. I don't think this is the majority of the people at APD, just a certain group of whining, children. I looked over this blog from the time before, during and after the campaign and it is almost comical, but disturbing how they go back and forth, like the weather. It is most confusing, actually. One month they are backing someone, walking, supporting and the very next month they are bashing them. They go from one person to the next. Now you have that pscho Daddy posting again and bringing up that Denu officers leave time when his son was terminal! What a bunch of jerks and these guys are supposed to be keeping the peace in this city. I wonder. Great leadership! Nothing but a bunch of bullies and they have been left to do whatever they want for the last two years, thinking they are above everyone else. They don't know what they want and someone needs to take control of these nuts! I have lived in Harford County all my life and the bad rep the police got is now coming back. You are making complete fools of yourselves. Grow up and everyone please don't waste you time expecting an adult response to your valid questions.
Nice try to make the APD look bad hmmm and hmmm is right every issue can be spun. They have legitimate reasons to be upset. What many do not realize who read this blog is that these feelings go back administrations and finally there is an outlet to vent their frustrations.
The City of Aberdeen receives funds from the Federal, State and County level to go towards funding of the police department it is not for Admin, DPW, WWTP etc. There are specific guidelines in how that money is used and timelines for it to be applied to their retirement funds. During the Dacey era that money was put in the General Fund first to cover bills (so taxes and water and sewer rates would not have to be raised) and then just before the deadline it was put into the retirement account. What the officers feel cheated about is if it was put into their fund when received by the City it would have accrued interest in their account. If this happened to anyone of us in the private sector we would have been upset as well. That is what led to the CB/BA petition.
We as citizens have every right to hold the new Mayor and administration just as accountable for their actions as the past administrations and just because a select few don't like it – tough. What did you expect when you knocked on doors to get us engaged in what is going on in this City and vote. Were we just expected to vote you into office and then go away? We voted for open government with input from citizens and that was what we were promised or was that "just bull___?"
hmmm is right says
The Mayor has been in office a little over one month! You are going to hold Mayor Bennett accountable? You have a council with three people whom have been in office for several administrations. Give the man a chance to figure out the best possible way to help fix these problems that have been, as you contend, in existence for several administrations prior, up to and including Mr. Simmons!
The guys had an open invitation to go and talk to Candadate Bennett and still have an open invitation from what I understand. Did or has anyone spoken to the man about their concerns personally? Probably not, you just sit and complain to one another and the "stories" grow and grow, sort of like Pinocchio, wouldn't you say? The FOP openly did not endorse him and without even knowing the man. My father was a police officer and he cannot believe the FOP even endorses anyone. Not a smart move, so he advises.
There are many issues that need to be challenged and improved, we all know this, grow up and act like the men you are supposed to be and work toward fixing these problems from several administrations prior.
Sorry for continuing to repeat "several administrations prior", but these guys are rock heads.
The fact that decisions for the city could be made according to the new Mayor being pissed off or not, is a tad scary isn't it? It sounds as immature as if he likes you or not. Perhaps this is why he had certain people backing him during the election…because he does not have an opinion, and because those backing him are really just that immature. Everything works out.
APD I wouldn't do anything different, continue to voice your opinions, in 2009 everything will be remembered. Good job out there, the people really are greatful.
hmmm is right says
See people, this is a perfect example of the problem. Who said the Mayor is making decisions "according to being pissed off or not"? The same group of troublemakers. Why does everything you do have to be this big conspiracy, this big drama? Talk about a "tad scary"!
ONE thing I will agree with you is that Everything works out and nobody said these guys are not doing a good job out there, the peope ARE grateful (not greatful, just to give you a spelling lesson). The people are not happy with the little group of whining children. It would be nice to see their energy going in a direction that would help them if all of this has been coming for several administrations.
By the way, I notice how none of you can answer a question or respond. You just keep pushing and adding to the fire. This is a tad scary!
I am a city resident and now see that my post won’t be answered in a respectful manner.
I’ll just sit back and read all of the whinning seeing that the APD is above everything in the City.
So sad for you all.
"Just watching on December 11th, 2007 8:35 pm "
Read this "hmmm" and you will see what I was responding to before you try to belittle others.
Thanks so much.
Just watching says
"hmmm" is just as crazy as the rest of the people on here. Everyone grow up and stop posting stuff on here.
To hmmm is right-
Mayor Bennett was not endorsed by the FOP at HIS request. He arrived at a meeting of our executive board and stated that he did not want us to endorse him. We abided by his request and did not. It had absolutely nothing to do about not knowing the man. As far as his open invitation to speak to him, I believe we are attempting to take him up on that offer but for some reason keep getting ignored.
As individual line officers in the department, we do not have the authority to change problems from administrations past. That is why the FOP exists. To voice the concerns and problems of the department to the people that do have the authority to make it right. Those people being the Mayor, Council, and Police Administration. Its basically impossible to voice concerns and issues if a line of communication does not exist. You are correct in saying that the Mayor has only been in office a month but the only thing we are holding him accountable for is that fact he refuses to speak with us.
I am willing to attempt to answer any of your questions if you would like me to. I have chosen to be professional and cordial, I only ask that you return the favor. Calling us a bunch of "rockheads" and "whining children" then asking us to act like the men we are supposed to be is a little hypocritical.
vietnam vet says
just watching you are so right. the felon’s druggies, do have access to computer’s and they do use them.the library is a nother source.
if you stop over at topix .com ( local aberdeen) you can find gang related lingo posted there.
I suspect they’ will soon be posting here. I agree some of this mess has been carryed over from one admin to another.it’s time somebody’ put’s and end to the bull.
yes there is a reduction in crime in aberdeen. I have the displeasure of working the low income areas’ of aberdeen. and pick up the gossip’ of druggies etc. sometimes just becomeing a part of there world’ as they see it.
they’ fear our police. and becomeing more cautious,in there sale’s
the open air market’s are gone.
do not think for one minute.some of these people could not become very dangerous very quicky.they like to brag about carrying a gun.
most often displayed in a coat pocket. butt end showing
loaded? most likely. I met indirectly rick denu. working and area of interest.being the snoop I’am. and ask the people who he was investigating what they thought of this well spoken man. they’ simply said if it’s jail. I hope he’s the arresting officer.
asking why ? they fear police brutality. our police should be respected’ but not feared. when some one is resisting arrest, it’s difficult not to see it as police brutality.
No comment just stopped in to say HI, and Dan Tito Ortiz is coming here with USO show. Ha!
And I ordered a Shortty AR with SD
Tim your a mad man. Wish you could be here for the next fights on the 29th. I’ll hit you with an E-mail tonight.
Call me crazy says
Looking for J. McGarvey?
vietnam vet says
Mc garvey is known to pop in from time to time. just have to wait & see.