From the Harford County Democratic Central Committee:
It’s been said that no news is good news, and that good news lasts a day while bad news lasts a week. Recently Harford County has had its share of news, and unfortunately not all of it has been good. Social media and newspaper headlines have shared numerous stories of our underfunded school system, and the threats restaurant owners are facing based on prejudices and unnecessary over regulation. These are not the values we believe in and changes must take place to ensure our County isn’t left behind.
In the last several weeks the Harford County Council has listened to hours of public input as they deliberate the budget for FY20. We are proud of the many teachers, parents, students, and members of this committee that have spoken up and marched in large numbers to advocate for fully funding our public schools. While we are encouraged that the budget proposal includes additional funding, it still doesn’t meet the funding needed to keep existing programs, maintain smaller class sizes, provide necessary supplies, raise teacher salaries or incentivize teacher tenure. A well-educated workforce is the staple for any prosperous society and while we understand there are existing budgetary restraints, we are disappointed that our locally elected county officials could not find ways to make up the shortfall in the final budget.
Based on the current formula, Harford County and the State of Maryland contribute nearly 50/50 to funding our school system. This session, a Democratic lead effort passed SB 1030 entitled The Blueprint for Maryland’s Future. This legislation will add $855 million directed towards education over the next two years based on recommendations from the Kirwan Commission with more dollars to come in subsequent years. Last week, it was announced that this bipartisan bill will go into effect. Democrats and Republicans have stepped up in Annapolis and in the years come Harford County must do the same – our future depends on it.
While we are advocating for funding on one front, we must remain ever wary of discrimination on another front. This week it was reported that the Harford County Liquor Board’s field inspector was threatening to strip liquor licenses from restaurant owners who host Drag events in their establishments. While drag shows are completely legal within the existing liquor code, this inspector has threatened to interpret a section of the code that deals with provocative acts in order to satisfy his beliefs. These shows have become a recent success in Harford County, usually to sellout crowds. Not only do these shows support local businesses and tourism, but they also on occasion help raise funds for non-profits.
As advocates not only for our party but for our community, we value inclusivity and the right of every business owner to prosper and attract patrons without unnecessary threats from their government. We encourage the Harford County Liquor Board to make clear that business owner’s rights remain intact and that these discriminatory threats cease immediately.
Once again, this shines a poor light on Harford County which makes it that much more difficult for us to attract tourism and new business from surrounding jurisdictions. We are continuing to make progress however and encourage anyone who supports the LBGTQ community to attend the first ever Upper Chesapeake Bay Pride event on June 22nd in Havre de Grace.
We believe that a good education and equality for all are at the core of what makes a community thrive and hope that you will join us in continuing to make Harford County a welcoming and successful place we know it can be for everyone.
First thing the Democrats need to do in Harford County is to get all the Democrats in office to resign and all those that ran unsuccessful campaigns to give up and allow new blood to get involved.
Wow…not at all prejudice are you?
Oh Lynn! Now ones party affiliation makes one prejudice? Wanting the do nothing’s out, that happen to be Democrats is not prejudice.
Chris says, You seem to be a little mixed up. Republicans hold the offices of this do nothing prejudice county.
Friends of Art; What a discusting distortion of facts. This entire county except for one member of county council and some other areas including the school board are Democrats. The rest are made up of REPUBLICANS. This county is going down hill and that lays strictly on the Republican Party and their members who hold office in this county.. Why they want to live in the past and keep education from the reach of all students is beyond reasoning. Just why do so many citizens refuse to allow people who are not of their thinking, the right to live their own lives. The bigger question is why is prejudice the quality of life for so many citizens.
The article is about what the Democrats need to do to improve. Has nothing to do with the Republican party. Maybe you should read before you comment. The current crop of Democrats are worthless as are the also rans.
First thing democrats in Harford county need to do is get rid of Art, who is perhaps the most corrupt piece of shit in the county.
Art is the best thing the Republican party has working for them.
The republicans don’t work. They dictate. They never did know how to govern. One reason they hate government.
The Democratic Party of today is not like it was in the 50s and 60s. Back then it gave hope to the average guy for a chance to succeed with hard work. Now they are a party of freaks, freeloaders, loafers, and underachievers looking for handouts. Like him or not that is why President Trump won. The Democrats can belch and fart all they want but they only have themselves to blame.
Thanks for sharing I always wondered who it was trump was selling the clean coal mining jobs to. Hopefully your kids can grow up and be miners too such a rich family tradition trump has given you.
It’s a shame how the negative impacts our ability to attract the talent we need at APG. Aberdeen was selected under BRAC for growth. It’s time the Harford County Government do what is needed to make Harford County a desirable place to live. If Harford County is incapable of doing it then the Army should shutter APG. Quality of life matters to the Engineeras and Scientist who were forced to move here.
So if Harford County is not a desirable place to live, why are so many non BRAC related families moving here?
Your claiming they are moving to Harford County? Not skills that are needed at APG. In fact it’s difficult at best to get people to take jobs at APG because of Harford County.
Miss me with that gay shit. Keep it in the city with the rest if the degenerates. The media wants to POZZ harford county as hard as possible
Closeted much? Seems like the people that care the most about other people’s sexuality are the ones that have something to hide. The shows are completely harmless, and no more physically inappropriate than what you see at your local Hooters (unless you’re a butt-hurt snowflake).
You guys keep using the term “snowflake”. Are you sure you’re using it correctly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)
Left behind what and how? I just attended the Harford Tech graduation and these kids from all over the County are a powerhouse of talent in a broad variety of trades and occupations. Our collective future is in very good hands with these talented, smart kids living in Harford County.
Then you know the cuts Harford Tech is facing. These students did well despite the fact that their classrooms are overcrowded, teachers are overworked, and critical programs are being cut. These students applied to get in, so they’d probably do well anywhere. Can you say the same about other schools in the county or you only interested in what affects you personally?
I’m just saying it’s not all gloom and doom. The Tech kids are amazing but so are kids in every other school in the county and they will do well regardless of politics.
Yes but now there will be less opportunities thanks to cuts.
Harford tech where the graduating class is legal drinking age.
That may well be but they are also a super talented bunch of kids. Our child had amazing opportunities and excellent teachers there. Me. Collins and Chas Hagen before him run an awesome program there. Way better than our “neighborhood” schools.
Since your screen name is LOL, I will assume you are attempting to make a joke? Harford Tech’s graduating class is in the same age range as any other high school in the area. It is a fabulous school with amazingly talented students and staff.
Democrats, please frel free to move back to the previous democraticly ruled shithole you fled for a better quality of life before you moved to harford county.
Amazing how you paracites distroy your own communities then have have balls to move and want to implement the same policies that made the areas fled shitholes.
It’s amazing how some conservatives equate Democratic policies with dilapidated communities when most jurisdictions run by Democrats are some of the most prosperous in the country. Communities like Baltimore have systemic problems that go beyond party and more to do with history.
In response to your point, I know for a fact that most of the Central Committee are actually native Harford Countians. Even if they weren’t, this is not a monotheistic community and everyone has the right to live were they choose and express the beliefs they hold.
On a historical note, most migration to Harford County has traditionally been from more conservative areas over the last 50 years and contributed to the rightward shift in county politics. Please get your facts straight before spreading repackaged partisan falsehoods.
Yes, some areas are prosperous DESPITE the democrats best efforts. And yes, Harford County has shifted more conservative, mostly due to the proving grounds that has attracted educated, analytically minded, technologically skilled critical thinkers, which is why it has not a become like some other counties in Maryland.
I’ve lived in this county since 1974 as a democrat and more than likely were here before you. Hard to believe but this was a democratic county until the 90’s.
How about you conservatives go back to the racist, redneck dumps YOU came from, eh? Make Harford County Great Again!
It hasn’t been an influx of republicans that has moved to Harford County in mass. The democrats have been importing the city residents into Harford County for years and the gerrymandering has created even more democratic voters in Harford County.
What the democratic leaders have failed to realize is that many democrat voters have been failed by their own party and have switched parties to republican. The democrats of old have been sold out. The unions have had it run up their ass by the democrats and the coal miners were basically told to pound sand and find another job. Meantime, the democrats promise billions to illegals and expect the citizens of every major city to live in crime ridden communities and sub-standard schools. No money for citizens but plenty for illegals say the dems.
The teachers that vote lock-step with democrats are being sold out as well. Schools are forbidden to throw out unruly kids due to policies enacted by democrats and students are out of control. Teachers are in constant fear of kids they know will be back in their classrooms because schools can’t remove these kids. Who suffers? The good students and the teachers, all at the hands of democratic policies.
The police have been sold out too. Democrats demonize police on a daily basis as if police are responsible for the killing of 300 people per year in Baltimore City. Then police are promised a 20-and-out with full pension.. then democrats move the goal post and now demand police work more years to obtain a pension after having been promised 20 when hired. They will do the same to teachers.
The democrats don’t care about the white vote and they count on the 90% of the black vote but when they import enough illegals, they will promise them the world and deliver them nothing. Just like the African Americans have not benefitted under democrats who have been getting sold a bag of shit for many years and who are finally beginning to get wise to democratic strategy of keeping everyone on the plantation, keeping everyone poor and in need of the government handouts.
I’ve had my own problems with Law Enforcement, but my case may be an anomaly that doesn’t occur frequently and did involve Administrative issues from less than reputable actors of the State. With that being said, I’m going to have to agree with you on just about everything you said. However, you should check out Sec. 59 of Article III Legislative Department of the Maryland Constitution. It might send a shock thru your system regarding pensions. Furthermore, if people would just look at our laws here in Maryland, realizing that our legislature has virtually tried to legislate out the Maryland Constitution to the point of abrogation and then wonder who passed all these statutes, they will see that the Democratic Party whom has dominated this State for years hasn’t been very Constitutional to say the least. People need to wake up and realize what’s going on here in Maryland isn’t right, nor has it ever been right. Ever since Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491, we have known that “Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them”, yet that is what we have seen here in Maryland. I can’t remember when the Democrats didn’t have control of the Maryland Legislature and I for one have to wonder are they out of their Democratic minds?
We don’t need to “raise teacher salaries or incentivize teacher tenure.” Teachers are already paid $50k to $84k for an 11 month work schedule which is the same as I earn as an engineer with a masters degree, 12 years experience and professional certifications working 12 months a year. Near as I can tell they’re already quite a bit over paid.
https://www.hcps.org/boe/budget/content/FY18/BOE_Approved/FY18StatisticalSection.pdf
As to the drag queen business, in other states many of such shows have become quite lewd. The board didn’t threaten them, they informed them that such lewd acts would appropriately lead to their loss of license. The ignorance and bias demonstrated by the individual writing this “article” couldn’t be more apparent.
Stop giving facts! Got to say you are for all things for all people, meaning lie like a Democrat.
Those aren’t facts, idiot. Those are opinions.
Plus you actually work in heat, cold, snow, rain and ice.
Trump 2020, you have just lost an credabilty by the name you post under. Very sick person.
Bigoted much, Gordon?
https://ballotpedia.org/Gordon_Koerner
From your history, it appears YOU are a very sick person.
Trump 2020; No I am not a very sick person. People don’t like to hear the truth. Many times I have run into those that read my comments. Most say I am out spoking and attempt to tell it like it is. People don’t like that.
Seems most people want someone speaking to be political correct, yet they turn around an insult political correct people. One thing I am not. I am not politically correct. I will call someone an asshole when I read them.
Alright, I’m done. Your very response here confirms that you’re a fucked up piece of shit that lacks all logical thought processes, in other words, yet another democrat.
Trump 2020 as of this writing Trump has told over 10,000 lies. Since you like him are we to assume you too also lie like heck.
So, not only are you ignorant, post to facebook known conspiracy theories, and are an all around asshole, you also throw around insults and personal attacks? I shouldn’t be surprised, typical behavior of a democrat. You can try, but I won’t stoop to your level.
Your underpaid as an engineer my father in law makes 200,000. BTW teachers have professional certifications
Cdev: According to industry salary surveys, I am not underpaid. Engineering professions don’t pay 200k unless you move into management, so I already know you’re lying about your father in law, or your father in law is lying to you, and as I already stated, I have professional certifications as well, so why would you reiterate what this article, my previous post, and the information I cited already stated about teachers having professional certifications as if I wasn’t aware?
You said you had precessional certain and I was pointing out teachers do too. My father in law is a project manager at Northrop Grumman so yes with that and his security clearances Et Al he makes 200K that doesn’t count his Air Force Pension
So… as I said; manager ? engineer. Different job, different pay.
The board inspector most certainly did threaten. You need to listen to the testimony and not there cover cover story. Fishy how all shows were cancelled with in 3 hours after a phone call from the inspector don’t you think.
The rantings of a bunch of triggered liberal fanatics who are repeating someone else’s lie is not testimony. Just because those triggered people repeat the lie and chant loudly doesn’t make it true.
Why isn’t he being relieved of his position? Sheriff’s Deputies who act illegally such as theft, perjury, sexual harassment are demoted and let go all the time.
So, why don’t you quit and become a teacher? It would appear from your resume you are qualified… I don’t understand why you would, knowing the facts as you do, keep yourself down. Very curious behavior.
“Republicans hold the offices of this do nothing prejudice (sic) county.” Oh, I thought Mary Ann Lisanti was a Democrat?
She holds a state office. Your powers of observation suck
Sadly, she represents Harford County in Annapolis. Keep it classy, “Cdev.”
Correct not a county office. She doesn’t decide how much this county spends on what!
Cdev, I Never said that she did. Lisanti IS however, an obvious racist with clear prejudices against black people. She is a huge problem for the democrats.
I agree but the post to which you replied was talking about republicans in county office. She isn’t a huge problem for the Dems as she holds no sway since they striped her of her committee assignments and she is sure to be primaried
Reading all the comments about Harford Tech and many other brillant students of this county, that by the way, these students would be successful no matter what school they went too. What most commenting about there intell, just don’t get. Not everyone can learn in the atmosphere of these over crowded class rooms. From some reason other than being arrogant certain people just want others to live in the dark. What a bunch of self rightious people who always seem to make comments here. When this story came across my desk I knew right away I was going to read it even though I have no faith in the people running the HCDCC.
I don’t understand why people are criticizing Harford Tech and their students. It is an awesome school, with great kids, teachers and administrators. We sat at our kids graduation the other evening, as well as last week’s Senior awards ceremony, and were blown away by their collective achievements. Harvard full 4 year scholarship winner, Air Force Academy candidate, ROTC scholarship winners, Eagle Scouts, Skills USA national finalists, blue collar trades certifications, cybersecurity certifications, and the list goes on and on. This is a school of superstars. Why the hate towards Tech?
Only 1 person posted a negative comment about Harford Tech, it was posted under the name LOL, and it appears to me to be a joke….. so what people are you talking about?
Because you act like those achievements are only evident at Harford Vo Tech when in fact they are in existence in every high school. Your kids are no more special than anyone else’s; they are just yours.
The problem with being a trade teacher at Harford Tech is the fact that most of these people can quit all of a sudden and be back in a higher paying job in no time, basically screwing their students out of an education for the remainder of the year and there is nothing HCPS has that can stop that from happening.
Seriously, most trade teachers who walk out the job without a proper notice probably don’t give a shit about being eligible to be a teacher again. LOL
LOL 2.0, what in the world are you talking about?! You clearly have NO relationship with or understanding of Harford Tech HS. The teachers and staff are excellent professionals in their respective trade areas. They are obviously committed to their students and form very close bonds with them over the course of four years in their tech area. Many of them come to work for the school system because they want normal work hours and the outstanding benefits that Harford County provides.
I have been closely involved with HTHS for many years as a parent, Booster Club member, PTSA officer, substitute teacher, etc, and have never heard of even one teacher walking off of the job in the middle of the year without proper notice. If you know of teachers who have done this, please give very specific details of names, dates, tech areas, etc. Otherwise, you should really stop posting.
How about the machining teacher who left a few years ago?
I believe your hypothetical top trade person who carries $80,000 employment resume is hired for a low $4x,000 a year teaching job.
Your English teacher needs to find another career if they just walk out, your trade teacher just goes back to where ever they came from, is the argument.
Besides older people double dipping nto a retirement, I’m not sure why someone in their 30s-50s would leave a high paying trade job like that to go teach unless for whatever reason their calling in life changed.
Harford County Public Schools obviously has some requirement for the experience of the trade teacher, and said experience is worth a lot more elsewhere.
I ask “Cecil’s Whig says” why is your comment about criticizing Harford Tech students under my post. I never said anything about them. Maybe I needed to split my comment into 2 paragraphs so you could understand that half of what I said was pointed at people who don’t understand that not ever student can learn in a crowded class room.
My neighbors 2 children both went to HT. They had to have almost perfect grades to be accepted. One is now a teacher and the other is an Information Technology engineer. Both decent paying jobs.
Gordon Koerner, Harford Tech HS classes are NOT crowded. I have had two children attend this school over the past 6 years. Many of the classes are actually quite small. Not sure where you are getting your talking points…
He gets his talking points from the same news sources he posts to his Facebook account, and the same sources the democratic party uses…. in other words Russian propaganda and Nigerian prince scams.
Trump 2020 saysat least I don’t support a lying piece of shit. You need to read the Mueller report.. If you can read, you’ll find that at least 10 crimes were committed and his campaign worked with the Russians to help Trump win the election. It is a total shame that you choose Party over Country.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf
Trump 2020 here is some more reading for you. Enjoy the tracking of over 10,000 lies that are recorded that Trump has said..
Oh, I know I am so great I was able to write those stories and post them under another name.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.7da33183d828
You’re an idiot. Mueller himself says there was no collusion with the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Mueller only questions the President’s intent to obstruct justice and choose not to make a finding on the subject, even though he could’ve. Look, there is no justice in an investigation brought about by fraud. The Steel Dossier can’t even be substantiated by Steel himself, so one has to wonder why the DOJ submitted it to the FISA court as VERIFIED information. The bottom line is this thing was a political witch hunt sponsored by the Democratic party who has used the DOJ as a political weapon. There is no justice in that, only persecution. Without a want of justice there can be no obstruction of justice because justice was never sought. You really are brain dead…..
Soul Crusher it is clear you have read none of the report and are parroting right wing wacko news. Because of your lengthy criminal history and inability to hold a job use your free time and read it ,it can’t make you sound any dumber than you already do.
FYI yes I have read it.
Lengthy criminal history of what? The illegal and unconstitutional persecution of people who use marijuana? I’m not the criminal, people like you are the criminals. Listen moron, I worked my whole life and started and ran my own business. I didn’t need to hold a job because I am my job. Once I was persecuted by your treasonous courts I was black balled from all employment in this State. Don’t you dare try and say I can’t hold a job because I have never been fired from a job, I quit jobs. Now, I work strictly under the table because I will not pay a government to commit treason against me and my people. If you can’t understand that then that’s your problem, not mine. Let me be very clear, you couldn’t go out and work in this heat with the Latinos that employ me. You’re just not man enough. Now, Mueller himself concluded that there was no collusion, yet you Democratic traitors continue to harp over the issue. You then want to say he obstructed justice. You can’t obstruct justice without there being an underlying crime because you and the Democratic traitors were never interested in justice, only treasonous persecution. Only a Democratic traitor, like yourself, believe that everyone should conform to way of thinking. If everyone thought the same there would be no America. Innovation, discovery and invention aren’t products of automaton human beings that think the same. If we all thought from inside the box we would be nothing. That’s why Americans should think outside the box, but you would never understand that because you are a slave to the Democratic treason that you worship. People should question everything and discover the truth. You my friend are not the “truth” and you are adhering to the policies and principles of the new world odor brought to us by your party’s ultimate traitor, FDR. If you want a government that is comparable to the pre-World War II government of Germany, keep going down the path you are currently going. However, I believe you are treasonous and a worthless piece of garbage. I don’t even know how you can claim to be an American because in my opinion you’re nothing but an idiot.
So you are saying you aren’t going to read the report and will rely solely on Fox news for your talking points. Got it.
It is available in audiobook if reading 400+ pages is too difficult.
Soul Crusher, Collusion is not a crime and there is no prosecution for collusion. Obstruction of justice is a crime and the Mueller report does a pretty good job at listing those 10 or so incidents commited by Trump.
I must admit that I have not read all 400+ pages, but I have seen enough of it and I am ashamed of my government for attacking Trump the way it did. You can keep quoting your party’s talking points, but it won’t change my opinion. Quite frankly, I am deeply offended that you believe that my people are so stupid that they would allow Russian bots to implant and control their minds. It simply didn’t happen. If you want to blame someone you should blame Comey for his obvious interference into the election. I will go along with that 100%, but I will not entertain the notion that Trump is a Russian agent. It’s just not true. Put Comey behind bars and be done with it….
@ Gordon Koerner – Once again, you can’t obstruct justice when justice was not being sought. Remember, there was “No there there” and we ALL knew this a very long time ago when Strzok texted it to his wench. I’m sorry, but I just can’t go along with this and I believe that Mueller is a straight up nazified fool.
“I must admit that I have not read all 400+ pages”…Sweet jesus man it’s obvious you never finished the Executive summary.
Sad.
You’re a total partisan moron and a disgrace to the United States….
Typical trumper snowflake when confronted with facts.
The facts are Trump hasn’t done anything wrong except for being Trump. Bottom line, get over it….
You have read none of the report. zero nada zilch
Read the report. I dare you.
Gordon like obama was better, give me a break. An apologist who ran around the world bashing the usa. Anti-police and race bater who accomplished zero in office. The future of your party is in AOC and beto… good luck with those two morons. You will be smashed in 2020.
With regards to russia, not one russian official was in any voting booth forcing anyone to vote for or against anyone. The truth that you morons will never accept is that hillary lost the election, the states she lost obama carried easily. It took a president like obama and a canidate like hillary to elect a president like trump… he is not perfect but better than those two clowns.
Stop blaming everyone but yourself and your parties policies for your loss, now you and eat your peas.
Turn off fox and read the report.
@ “truth” – OK, you’re an idiot. I once again glanced read thru the first section and I come to the same conclusion. If Clinton, the DOJ and the USA don’t want Russians trying to influence an American election then they need to stop interfering in Russia’s elections. The influence thru social media is a pathetic double standard that our country holds against the rest of the world. The USA has interfered with many European elections since World War II in an effort to place individuals in foreign governments that are “friendly” to US interests. Furthermore, the Podesta “hack” wasn’t really a “hack”. His password was “PASSWORD”. What do you consider a hack? If no password breaking software was used to enter his e-mail account because he was using “PASSWORD”, then how can you consider that a “hack”? It may have been a unauthorized access to the treasonous DNC’s internal e-mails, but it wasn’t a “hack” and maybe the DNC should be a little more careful with their internal communications. Quite frankly, it is a shame that the American people have to find out from WikiLeaks and foreign governments that the DNC’s Primary elections are fraudulent and that Hillary Clinton had already bought the candidacy. Look, the Democratic Party is pathetic and their policies and security regarding internal communications is just one example of how pathetic the Democratic Party has become. OUR GOVERNMENT DOES EVERYTHING WE ARE ACCUSING RUSSIA OF IN A VARIETY OF ELECTIONS ALL AROUND THE GLOBE! Yet, you want to cry foul when someone does it to our election? Hillary needs to blame herself for her loss and maybe if she hadn’t coordinated and FUNDED Putin’s opponent in the 2012 Russian election this would’ve played out differently. The Mueller Report is a joke…. and Robert Mueller is a joke. Do you know why he doesn’t want to go to Congress and testify before them? It’s because he knows he will get caught in a lie and be held accountable for lying to Congress. He’s already lied on National TV and he is northing but a traitor against the United States. All on behalf of the Democratic party….
Soul Crusher, that is a typical republican response. If someone else does then someone else can do. I read you repsonse and you are a total idiot. You are totally for party and the hell with the country. Your words are the words Naiz used to form their party of white supremacists.
History has told us that all great powers are destroyed from with in. We as a country are on a track of being a third world country and county. It’s the attitudes I read here that will make that happen. When people put their own self interests over their country, collapse is all that is left.
You say you read the report and find nothing wrong. Just how are you such an expert when over one thousand former republican and democrat prosecuters believe that Trump is guilty and should be impeached. Evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian Goverment to get him elected.
Reading statements here surely shows that evil atracts evil.
“”””We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors, United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice. The offices in which we served were small, medium, and large; urban, suburban, and rural; and located in all parts of our country.
Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.”””
https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1
First of all, I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. I am an American. Second, it is the Democratic Party that has assaulted freedom time and time again while using the people’s government to persecute them. Hell, your party even enlisted the aid of ANTIFA, which is very reminiscent of the brown shirt movement in the days before World War II. It was a Democrat who merged the courts into one system and then instated the fraud of persecuting everyone like they are a government employee. Over and over the Democrats promise freedom and every time you guys limit freedom by turning LEO’s into terrorists trying to enforce your treasonous Codes, Rules and Regulations. Let me be very clear, not one of Trump’s campaign members were a government employee during the campaign and none of them have to cooperate with the DOJ, especially in a political witch hunt trying to accuse Trump of everything the Democrats do on a regular basis. Trump never conspired with the Russian government and it is questionable if his members of his campaign did either because they were trying to keep things negotiable between us and the Russians while Obama was trying to start a war with them. Look, you are obviously a Democrat and I understand you want your party to win, but you don’t try and destroy everyone else just because they don’t want to be like you. The Democratic Party either needs to reform itself or it needs to be abolished or destroyed. This country can not survive with the policies you guys want to instill and I think it’s about time America stopped giving it all away and make others pay their own way. I know you Democrats want to give away all this country’s wealth and resources, but it’s just not a viable way to keep us ahead. Now, you say my words are the words of a white supremacist, yet I don’t recall bringing up race at all. THAT, is a typical Democrat response against anyone who doesn’t agree with you and it just isn’t applicable to what we are talking about. You my friend are a straight up idiot and you don’t have a clue. Go ahead and bow down to the treason you worship, but I’m not doing it for anybody…..Just for the record, ALL prosecutors are liars as well as judges, lawyers and politicians. It’s just the way it is.
Soul Crusher you really did drink the koolaid, Jesus man there are over 180 contacts trump had with the Russians had you read the report you would know this. You actually enjoy being ignorant of facts.
No, I enjoy knowing that you’re a complete MORON and that the DOJ is about as reliable as a blind man at a shooting range. Look, the Democrats and the Republicans of the treasonous Congress hired that whiny little turd Mueller to dig up dirt on Trump and try to give them something they could use to impeach him. Neither the Dems or the Republicans wanted Trump to shake their bureaucratic money tree so they hired another bureaucrat to try and take him down. They just knew Mueller would go the extra mile because Trump sent his whiny little nazified butt home when he applied to be the FBI Director. However, Mueller failed and if you had heard him on the TV the other day, you’d know he is scared. His voice was crackling and he sounded like a little bitch. You can take those 180 contacts and shove them right where the sun doesn’t shine because he is NOT a traitor, nor is he a Russian agent. You and the rest of your little party of fascist degenerates need to walk on home, BOY. Just get to walking. Don’t miss a step, just keep on walking, BOY….
One last thing, the only thing special about Robert Mueller being a Special Counsel is that it takes a person who belongs in SPECIAL ED to believe his crap. I see that you believe it and I’m sure you’re special….
Mueller, a republic,an was hired by republicans to investigate a republican President that was giving them everything they ever wanted since they held all 3 branches of government. Do you even listen to your craziness?
The fact you are claiming he applied to the FBI which is propaganda being pushed by trump and fox confirms you are so brainwashed in this cult you can’t see straight.
Uh, I could the same thing about you in that you’ve been brainwashed by Morning Joe and the rest of the MSNBC band of traitors. Trump was never going to give them everything they wanted because what they really want is for everything to remain in chaos and unsettled. Basically, both parties wish they could just sit there and do nothing, hold on, that’s what they’re still doing. Why don’t you just face the fact that Trump is shaking their little bureaucracy to the foundations. It’s about time and I love it. Sure, he’s morally bankrupt, but so am I. I love this shit, man!!!
Answer to “Accurate Observer says” Where the heck did I say they were crowded. You must have me confused with someone else.
Accurate Observer say, Oops I did say crowed class rooms which meant the crowed class rooms in Harford County. I did not mean to imply that HT had crowded class rooms.
By the way another good friend just gradulated from HT as a car body repair and Thompson on route 40 has already hired him.
Constantly good stories come out of HT about their students and in no way am I commenting against them. In fact I would like to see the school to expand to route 40, so the kids don’t have so much travel time or their parents having to take them to school.
The more we accept sexual deviancy in our culture under the guise of “tollerance”, “inclusivity”, and “equality”, the more we contribute to an “anything goes” moral and societal decay. To claim that Drag Queen performances, or any sexual performances for that matter, are harmless to our community is rhetorical nonsense.
Gordon. Unlike you, I have more than a high school education. I’ve read the Mueller report, and I don’t support a lying piece of shit. Save the planet some oxygen and commit suicide.
” Unlike you, I have more than a high school education. ”
If this is going to turn into a one-up contest, as you can see by list of acronyms after my name; I am better than you.
If you read about Nixon you will find the cover up is worse than the crime.
Now 40 years later we have a president doing cover up.
Impeachment took a while cause the Senate was against impeachment.
Again the Senate is against impeachment.
Impeachment will happen, just like in Nixon case
What will happen a group of R senators will go to Trump behind closed doors and get him to resign and Pence will pardon him.
First of all, if you think Nixon didn’t know that Watergate was going to be broken into then you’re foolish. The cover up isn’t worse than the crime because Nixon directed both. You can believe that false narrative that history accounts, but the truth is Nixon was not only a criminal, he was a traitor. He did declare war on the people he was supposed to serve and he removed the gold standard from our currency allowing our currency to be stabilized by the remains of rotting life known as oil. Trump’s not covering up anything and even if he was it isn’t anything any worse than prior Presidents since FDR have done. I’m sure the Democrats will impeach him under false pretenses and I don’t think the Senate will convict him because he hasn’t done anything wrong. The Democratic Party has betrayed the nation one time too many and it needs to be abolished or destroyed. The party’s constant want of socialistic policies and the Nazification of our once proud government is almost complete. The Democrats dream of ruling the world thru the UN and I call this the New World Odor. The next time my dog takes a dump, I’m going to take a whiff of it and say “I smell a Democrat”.
Soul Crusher I am well aware of people like your self who were republicans, but changed to unaffiliated. All a game so you are not accused of the evil by Republicans. I am also aware of attitudes of hurray for me and the heck with you.
I have never registered in either of the treasonous corporations you call political parties and I have never participated in ANY election. I will not and refuse to register to vote because I give absolutely NO CONSENT to the legislature of Maryland or the US Congress. I was told by my former lawyer that he had fraudulently registered me as a Republican, but I have never seen anything that verifies that, so you can call Edward Thomas Maxwell Jr. and ask him if I was ever registered as a Republican. I have never voted and I will never register to vote because if voting meant a damn thing they wouldn’t let you do it…..
Pence could actually shoot him and become President and never be charged, since under the new DOJ rules the President is above the law and can’t be charged with a crime. Think about it.
Soul Crusher; If you don’t vote or have anything to do with how this country is run, why do you comment here. In fact why do you even live in this country. No I am not telling you to leave, just wondering what is your purpose in life. Is it to live like grunted fool with your head up your ass.
Because the people need to know that their government is a corporate treason machine making believe that it is a government. I don’t take part in the election of corporate officers on any level because I don’t consent to the corporation that you worship. Why do you think I don’t like the idea of the southern border wall? Because if it gets too bad here and the Democratic party turns this country into a situation like pre-World War II Germany, I’m going to want to escape. Never mind leaving. I live here because it is my home and the Maryland Constitution guarantees me I can live here. Why do you? Now, I don’t know what a “grunted fool” is and I’m glad that I’m still flexible enough to entertain the notion of putting my head up my ass. The only problem is it would probably make me walk funny. On that note, please take you balls off your chin and stop spreading the horse manure of the Democratic Party.
Gordon is right! Get your game together, S.C.!
Oh God, not this fuktard again…..
Harford County Teacher – Thank you.
You’re welcome. I know I’m better than you, live in a bigger house and make a lot more money.
I wasn’t easy being this successful but it pays off when I look down at the little people like yourself.
My comment was to Gordon, not you. The website wasn’t loading right and it posted under the wrong place. My house is paid off and I have already saved enough to retire on, though I’m guessing I’m half your age.
I just turned 42 a few years ago so I’d love to know what your secret is right after high school?
I just paid off my beach house last year, worth three times as much as my 3,500 square foot Harford County on a few acres.
A few months ago, excuse me. Thank you
” Unlike you, I have more than a high school education. ”
If this is going to turn into a one-up contest, as you can see by list of acronyms after my name; I am better than you.
Yes, John Cornul, we are all so impressed with your fake acronyms after your fake name. We are even more impressed that you could become so successful without knowing the meaning of ‘acronyms’.
I’m more impressed you took the time 5 days later to respond to me.
Keep serving me fries when I show up at the drive thru.
This morning Queen Elizabeth gave Trump a first edition of Churchill’s ‘The Second World War’ book. Apparently,, no one told her that our President doesn’t read books. Perhaps Fox News will assign someone to read it to him. 🙂
https://thehill.com/policy/international/446645-activists-project-trump-vs-obama-approval-ratings-on-tower-of-london?amp&fbclid=IwAR0SzfvE4bGab7gciHCbHp59ieK_UBpp5-aq_RojU2FVibifsyxW7sC1Tzw
Took my grandkids to the Jarrettsville carnival. Over a thousand people attended. No fights, no problems, no police at all. Big difference from Dundalk two weeks ago. Be dying to here a reasonable explanation from some of the liberal Democrats on why the events were so drastically different. Lol
Sorry auto text”hear”
Dying to know. Very seldom do republicans assault republicans. Republicans know when they are amongst Democrats, so they start fights when D’s call Trump a piece of shit. I know that happens cause it happened to me when I said those words.
You did not answer my question sir. Why was the behavior at the Jarrettsville carnival so drastically different from the Dundalk carnival? I’m dying to know. Lol. Just for your information sir I searched all available local news sites regarding the Dundalk incident and saw no references to name calling directed at President Trump being a causation regarding the disturbance. Please explain the connection silly man
It was such a silly question, just couldn’t refuse giving a silly answer. Also the question is all about trying to promote republicans as a God sent and democrats are fighters.
Actually your question is arrogant and promoting it is ignorance self serving question.
There is but one way to answer a stupid question and it’s by giving a silly answer.
I really didn’t expect a reasonable explanation from any liberal. Keep ignoring these and other social issues. Ignoring constant bad behavior only fuels bias. My father often said if you want respect you have to earn it. Please tell me how those kids at the Dundalk did anything to promote a better more positive image. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
Expecting a sensible answer on a set up question is stupidity in it’s highest form.
I was at Jarrettsville and saw a big ass fight, guess it just depends on when you were there. Care to explain it?
Are you making some type of comparison between a fist fight in Jarrettsville and a mob of over one thousand hood rats in Dundalk assaulting innocent people, damaging property including police cars. I think you are stretching it. Do you have a picture of Rachel Maddie in your wallet?
Sorry “Maddie”
Maddow.
I think the answer to the question is quite easy.
A majority of the attendees at the Jarretsville Carnival were person’s who have values of morals, ethics, religion, family, inclination to behave in public without being charged with (a)criminal citation(s).
We can assume these values are taught and raised through generations of hard working folks in the community. People who are productive members of society and their next of kin are being raised to be productive members of society.
There’s really nothing ignorant, arrogant, or intolerant of your local community living up to these standards.
Not sure how this is a political issue involving Republicans or Democrats.
So republicans have values. Yes they are backing that children are taken from their parents. They approve that these children can be adopted. They approve what appears to be human trafficking of those children. If that is what you call family values may God have mercy on your soul.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Obama and Buch did the same thing, just not on the scale that is being seen now. The policy of zero tolerance as well as the huge influx of migrants arriving has definitely taken us to a new level. Their coming here in droves. What can you do? Congress refuse to do their job and they’ve refused to try and fix this for years now. Yet those in Congress want to point fingers and blame different sides for not acting. Let’s be honest about all this, neither side is willing to do their jobs because of fear in the political ramifications that will undoubtedly happen. It amazes me about the political flip flop we’ve seen the political parties do over the years and the people are not holding those in Congress accountable. Trump’s trying to force them to do their job, but they won’t. Once again, what can you do?
This is for those that claim that both Bush and Obama separated children at the border. Trump is the only one who has separated children from their parents and has lost over 2,000 children that they don’t know where they are at. Trump and his policies are against humanity and evil.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/438114-fox-newss-shep-smith-corrects-trump-for-saying-obama-first-separated-children
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-family-separation-obama.html
“””””Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed family separation on a law enacted by Democrats. On June 15, he told reporters, “I hate the children being taken away,” and added, “The Democrats have to change their law — that’s their law.” Secretary Nielsen repeated this falsehood at a briefing on Monday saying, “Surely it is the beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the laws, instead of changing them, tells the enforcement body not to enforce the law.”
There is no law that requires the Trump administration to separate families.
This crisis stems from a series of policy choices the Trump administration made. In fact, reports arose as early as December 2017 that the administration was considering a plan to separate border-crossing parents from their children. In March, then-DHS Secretary John Kelly confirmed this, saying it would help deter Central Americans from coming to the United States.””””””
“”””Do the courts require family separation?
Absolutely not — despite the claims of GOP leadership to the contrary. Both House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senator Chuck Grassley have blamed family separation on the courts, specifically a decades-old court agreement (known as the Flores settlement) which established protections for children to prevent their indefinite detention in unlicensed facilities”””””
“”””””.In June 2017, the administration ended the Family Case Management Program, which allowed families to be placed into a program, together, that connected them with a case manager and legal orientation that ensured they understood how to apply for asylum and attend immigration court proceedings.
The program had a 99.6 percent appearance rate at immigration court hearings for those enrolled in the program. It’s not only a more humane alternative to family prisons; it’s far less costly for taxpayers.”””””
It is my suggestion to tose that post here blaming the Democrats that they do research before they blame others. It’s my understanding that Fox News is you main source of information. Most Republicans should do what Democrats do; Check the facts before you post lies.
I have to give republicans lots of credit. They do follow the talking points. Their problem is they care nothing about the facts.
Exactly how does this relate to folks fighting at a carnival and their registered political party?
Are you mentally stable?
Eating Corn says you have a comprehension problem. If you go above my post you will find it is a reply to “”Soul Crusher Say””. So I am not sure whom you are asking the question of since he is the one who changed the subject to Bush and Obama.
When you ask a question you need to direct at the person who changed the subject
No Gordon, you changed the topic at 10:48pm on June 5th, 2019. You’re so screwed up you don’t even know who did what and when….
Soul Crusher, No I didn’t change the subject. When republicans began trashing the dems,they changed the subject. This thread took off from there. HT was brought up. Teacher pay was brought up. I responded to those topics but I didn’t bring them up. In fact you and Trump 2020 were the one’s that changed the subject the most. Looking at you one needs to know you don’t vote so your comments mean nothing since all you are is antagonist.
I beg to differ and there isn’t anything any one can do to make me help this government. I don’t support a government that is treasonous. You can, but I won’t. This State has shown me nothing but fraud, racketeering operations, terrorism and treason. I am a product of my life experiences and there is nothing you can do to change that. I am not controllable or regulatable. I am a human being and you’re a creature of a corporation. That’s just the way it is Gordon. You’re a traitor and I’m not. I can die with that. Can you?
In fact, Cornhole, I went back and reread this entire thread. My responses were always into response from some sort of Democratic crap that you and others put on here. I didn’t change the topic, you did. I respond to your idiocy. That’s all, nothing else.
Soul Crusher says; Here is the very first comment on this post.
Friends of Art says
June 1, 2019 at 11:22 pm
First thing the Democrats need to do in Harford County is to get all the Democrats in office to resign and all those that ran unsuccessful campaigns to give up and allow new blood to get involved.
This proves you can’t read or remember anything after you read it. Just Like I never named you as the person who changed the subject.
In case you don’t understand the insult. “”It means get out of Harford County Democrats, your not welcome”””
Your are what you are and no words will ever change you. Totally a simple mimded person who can’t read, write, or remember. What is that called “”Senile”” for lack of a better word.
No. Gordon, you are a fuktard, I only use the screenname “SoulCrusher”. That wasn’t mine ……
“In fact you and Trump 2020 were the one’s that changed the subject” and “I never named you as the person who changed the subject” are all the proof that anyone needs to realize that you are a fuktard….
Soul Crusher, Congrads. You can read and remember past your nose of what you read. To bad you haven’t the brain to look past that nose. If you did you will find that certain people started writing about Harford Tech which is not part of the original post by HCDCC. If you could read, you would also find a discussion about ABG’s. That isn ‘t in the HCDCC letter.
Of course you brought in Obama and Buch (Bush), whic also changed the subject.
Then there was fights at carnival’s in Jarrettsville and Dundalk. What that has to do with the HCDCC letter is something else.
By the way sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me. Especially from some who mooches off the voters of this country who fight for change. Wether that change is good or bad, at least they want change. While you sit back and condemns other but haven’t any courage to vote for their beliefs.
There is nothing you can say that will get me to vote for leaders of a treasonous corporation in both the State and Federal government. I simply don’t consent to their rule and don’t approve of it. Funny, you mention “sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me”, but the Democratic treason that you represent has already made name calling illegal and has outlawed free speech. That is why we do every thing on the Dagger anonymously, isn’t it? Now, I don’t care who changed the topic, I responded to your Democratic idiocy and I’m not the one who changed the topic. I responded to you, fuktard. So, you getting on here saying I changed the topic is just one more example of your own memory malfunctions and I don’t care if you like it. Voting doesn’t take courage, it requires you to go in a booth and pull some levers, with no one watching. This is the truth and you know it. You act like it is a brave act to vote, but we all know when it comes to national elections that the Democratic party of this treasonous State has the majority brainwashed into the belief of the corporate treason you represent and worship. If voting meant a hill of beans, that treasonous group of scum you call government wouldn’t let you do it. That’s the fact Jack and you are totally whacked….
“Of course you brought in Obama and Buch (Bush), whic also changed the subject” – Yeah, in response to your Democratic idiocy that brought up that topic as well. You really are an idiot and a hypocrite.
Soul Crusher as a Liberal I believe in rehabilitation. It’s become apparent you will never change. A sick soul remaining a sick soul. Goodbye.
Rehabilitate? What are you talking about? You’re not trying to rehabilitate anyone, you’re trying to force your political views down everyone else’s throat. You’re a complete traitor and you don’t need to tell me Good Bye, you just need to STFU, traitor….
Soul Crusher. you are such a child. I know children with more intell than you.
Wow. I’m just crushed. That hit me really hard Gordo. You’re such a below the belt kinda guy and I’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience below the belt. With other men that is….
Wake up. It is not about republican or democrats. Most politicians are in it for the money. They want to keep us scrambling, complaining, and thinking we may never have it that great. We need to wake up and take our country back. Donald Trump is not the answer, he looks out for his self and his family. He will leave a wake of disaster and not blink an eye.
“New Harford Circuit Court drug court focuses on underlying addiction, not the crime itself”
https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/harford/aegis/ph-ag-circuit-drug-court-0607-story.html
Hopefully, a step in the right direction!
Gordon is right! Get your game together, Soul Crusher !
For all of those who comment and know very little. There are very few teachers making 80k in HCPS. The vast majority are in the 45 to 55K range. Try renting an apartment in this county on that salary.
Here is the number you may want to hear. I have been teaching for over 2 decades. I am beyond the step payscale. I just the cola’s. Last year’s raise netted me $16 per paycheck. Trump’s taxcuts did nothing but hurt as my refund dropped drastically.
How much money do teachers want to make?
I’ve yet to ever see what magic number there is. Please enlighten me in all aspects.
“Try renting an apartment in this county on that salary.”
What salary is needed that you’re not getting?
Imagine the outrage if the school funding went to pre hire and random employee drug testing.
LOL
Keep in mind their salary is paid out of my taxes. I don’t get anywhere the benefits these teachers get and they keep bleeding us for more. Bunch of overpaid babysitters.
The real problem is the decades of subterfuge of what they want for pay.
Just come out and fucking say what you think pay rates in HCPS need to be.
Harford County is one of the safest counties in the state so why do the teachers here expect salaries of schools with less safe schools? If anything, city school teachers should get “hazard pay” and Harford County school teachers should take a pay cut. Any teacher that works in the city would take a teaching job in North Harford in a second and do it for less money.
Just like an officer in Baltimore City should make way more than police in Harford County. The job is much more dangerous and the compensation should reflect that
disparity.
If you’re not making enough money, grow a pair, stand up, quit your job and do what everyone else does – find another job. Harford County Public Schools will find someone to replace yoe eventually, like they always have for decades.
Maybe some of you should sell coffin insurance at the graveyards if you think you’re actually going to get some big raise, or having different elected public servants are going to change anything.
Boo hoo. Your crappy state pension and crappy blue Cross blue shield medical insurance. You got a lot more than what most folks have.
Have never seen so much sick jealousy against a group of people doing a public service. Of course you clowns never say anything about the police.
“”””Harford County Sheriff’s Office employees earn an average of $66,430, ranging from $54,462 at the 25th percentile to $76,169 at the 75th percentile, with top earners (the top 10%) earning more than $88,580. Compensation is derived from 95 profiles, including base salary, equity and bonus.””””
Guess what rhey don’t have to go back to college to get higher education which they have to pay for. While police get extra training at the taxpayers expense.
Nursing and school teachers are the two biggest employment groups you’ll always see making a huge fuss about how the sky is falling. There’s other groups that may get a 5 second mention like auto worker unions but show me some other employment where the camera will focus on a group of people who broadcast their #1stworldproblems like a bunch of crybabies.
I’m not sure if most of these people are really serious, I honestly think people don’t get that butthurt and are more interested in just creating some kind of “social media post” that gets the most likes/shares. I’m sure they are looking for ways to one up their LinkedIn profiles above other people.
Like the two week long ordeal where some politician said nurses are playing black jack in the break room or some shit. Who fucking cares? Oh right, gotta get them likes and type up some big inspirational message for everyone to read. Lol
Soul Crusher is a pathetic worm who TRAMPELS on our Constitution and Ninth Amendment RIGHTS>
Like you have any idea what you’re talking about. My ninth amendment right of choosing my own profession is what has been trampled on and every right guaranteed by our Constitution has been denied to me. This is the truth and you are nothing but a lying fool.
No one gets into teaching to be rich. If you take away the benefits, and pension no one will want to teach. Not having to beg every year for your raise would be nice. I have a stack of performance reviews that say I do an excellent job every year. The median income in Harford County is just over 83 K. Which means most employees in hcps don’t make that. Here is the crazy thing if you look at this data it says the median income in Harford is greater then Baltimore and Cecil counties. How come they pay there teachers more?
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/harford-county-md
What do teachers want to make for a wage in Harford County Public Schools?
Entry level teacher position, what is the salary you want? Tenured/experience teacher, what is the salary you want?
Its really simple. List a number with a dollar sign in front of it so we all can see what the opinion is.
The answer is simple, whatever amount you are willing to pay them they expect more.
Baltimore County is operating $80 million dollars in the red and teachers there just got a raise. This is because they voted for the candidate that guaranteed them a raise for their vote. The teachers union endorsed johnny-o because he paid them to. If this crap existed in the private sector, people would be put in jail but it is perfectly legal as long as your a politician and a lobbyist. Your boy johnny-o wants to extend this into pre-k as well so more teachers and get into the union rank and file. Nothing more than buying votes at tax payers expense.
Let us not forget about the mountain of new tax increases in Baltimore county implemented to pay for the teacher votes as well.
The teachers union paid endorsement was meant as hyperabily for the sake of debate.
Ok…..So go to Cecil or Baltimore……What is stopping you?
Baltimore City is almost all Democrats. Check out their school system which is run by liberal Democrats. Hope Harford County will not follow in that path. You know grade changing allowing kids with below “C” average to play sports, etc. In the long run who are they really helping?
https://www.hcps.org/BOE/docs/CollectiveBargaining/HCEA/HCEA_Negotiated_Agreement_2016-2019.pdf
https://campussuite-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/33903/86de7fb0-3a18-11e6-b537-22000bd8490f/1939504/ce2f7f90-8892-11e9-8ec4-0a0dd4a83136/file/Salary_Teacher_10mo_2019-20.pdf
How about you start by being competitive. The above links are to Hcps pay scale, and Frederick County the county Harford is most often compared too. Hcps beginning 42 k top 74 (closer to 80 if you count longevity increases). Frederick 46 and tops out over 90.
Why is it no one can answer a simple question? Type how much money per year teachers in Harford County Public Schools need to make.
Using words like “comparison” or “competitive” blah blah blah means jack shit, and it’s quite obvious dancing around the subject has gotten teachers not very far. Maybe the public would take you more seriously if you just laid out what salary you want to make. Jesus Christ.
Don’t forget they want a pension too. Clearly, Article III : Legislative Department Sec. 59 states “The Legislature shall pass no law creating the office of “State Pension Commissioner”, or establishing any general pension system within this State (amended by Chapter 681, Acts of 1977, ratified Nov. 7, 1978)”. Quite frankly, it seems to me that the SRPA is an illegal and unconstitutional agency of the State which is distributing taxpayer assisted funds to current and former members of the State government. Just because there is no “Commissioner”, doesn’t mean that a “Chairman” is not acting as the same thing. Clearly, it seems to me that no pension is allowable by ANY government employees in this State and the entire pension system is more than likely illegal and unconstitutional. The PEOPLE need to start looking into things like this and tearing it down bit by bit…..
Common Cents
https://www.teacherpensions.org/state/maryland
I just don’t understand.
The turn over rate in Harford County Public Schools is clearly obvious that it shows people get hired and quit. Are “Exit interviews” performed? Likely not. Unofficial/Off the record would probably a lot of these people are getting the same job in another Maryland/Pennsylvania/Delaware county, local school district for a higher wage
So, tell me, what salary does HCPS teacher need?
It’s fucking simple. Stop pretending you have a political edge and just get on with it.
They learned this when Gahler pulled the same crap concerning the Sherrifs pay in Harford County.
A large part of the teachers salary are the benefits and having summer off. They want all of these benefits and a salary that is comparable to working a 12 month per year job. The truth is that they only work on average 20 days per month for nine months. 180 days per year making $60,000 per year would be $333 per day and at 8 hours would equal $41.63 per hour. This is before any benefits costs are calculated into this equation.
If teachers took the same rate of pay per hour and worked a 12 month per year job at 8 hours per day, they would earn $86,569.60 before benefits. I am not sure why teachers expect us to pay them a salary on par with people that work 12 month per year jobs when they only work 9 months per year.
Glen you are a simple simon with your calculations. That is not how it works and if you had a brain you would know better.
I could list what they do but it wouldn’t be able to sink into such a brain.
I own a successful business jackass and that is exactly how it is quantified.
You cannot list anything so you leave your responses vague with a slice of sarcasm.
You sir are the moron and being played like a cheap banjo.
Glen Says so you say you are a successful business man. So that makes you an expert on teachers and what they do. You may be successful but you just another person who thinks his shit doesn’t stink.
From your answers by the grace of someone else you are successful, of course I don’t know what you call successful. You may own a worm farm and grow night crawlers.
If you own a worm farm and it pays the bills, then it is a successful business. Gordon, are you sure you’re not the one who thinks your shit doesn’t stink? Seems to me that is the case….
Exactly…..I can follow the math. Why cant the rest of you? What a deal if you can get paid a 12 Month salary and work 9 Months. We can only dream of such things in our department.
Even a Thief can see that’s a good deal!
Hi Glen,
Gordon seems to prefer getting into some sort of pissing match… not my style.
I am surprised to learn I only work 8 hours a day and 180 days a year. I think you have that confused a bit. My contract stipulates a 7.5 hour day and 190 days a year. I work, however, far more than that. It is true I only get paid for 10 months of that work, however. Truth be told, I’d rather punch a clock and get over time. Of course, I can’t imagine you’d be happy how much that would cost you. [Hint, I usually log 10 hours a day at school, and another 3 hours a week at home… I will gladly take $41 and then overtime on that!!!!].
I don’t get paid for my time maintaining my credentials. I also do not get compensated for any travel costs for that either.
There are days (I’m secondary) we work an extra three hours for no extra pay. That can be monitoring student detention, supervising a game, or collecting tickets at school plays. As you can imagine that can eat (no pun intended) into meal time… you guessed it… no compensation for having to eat out on those days. Oh yes, and there are times depending on where the duty occurs (like off site for swimming) we don’t get compensated for travel/gas there either.
Many, though not all, evenings you can find me making written comments on student papers… helpful things to make them better employees, entrepreneurs, and otherwise productive citizens. You know, doing my part to make society a bit better by drawing out the best in a person’s capacity.
Then there are times kids will struggle. They are desperate and think taking their lives is the only answer. I have to watch for that. Others will get head injuries and try to hide concussions so they won’t risk not playing a sport. I have to watch for that. Some kids struggle from a learning disability or emotional disability. I have to do special things to ensure they succeed with everyone else. Those things require more time to accommodate. The law says I have to do it. Ethics compel me to do it.
On the flip side… I GIVE my time to help students do their best and provide opportunities to excel. I sponsor a club that doesn’t pay… I do it on my time. I write MANY letters for college acceptance, employee referral, and scholarship applications so the kids benefit the most from their excellence.
My students have become police officers, military officers, nurses and doctors, and even teachers. Some are plumbers and some are accountants. My goodness, one of your teachers can look at you and see a successful businessman!! Good job there Glen!
I don’t look at any former student giving their all and think they get paid too much and do too little work. I don’t even think that of you. In fact, I imagine you likely don’t keep enough of your earnings to truly compensate the risk and contributions you provide.
I pity you Glen. I have to wonder what sort of person can be successful in business and look down on educators the way you do. Are you unhappy that society has decided an educated population is preferable to an ignorant one? Are you unhappy that employees or customers that know how to read, write, think and reason require a cost? I do pity you Glen. I pity anyone who thinks or believes they should be able to get the best from others without an investment from themselves.
I sacrificed other occupations and opportunities to teach. I did so knowingly. I do not think it is improper or unreasonable to ask for compensation that respects three degrees plus many more hours of study. I don’t think it is wrong to insist people who benefit from a service (you and everyone around you not having to be surrounded by ignorant masses) to pay for it. My goodness, Glen, I pay for it!
So Glen… this weekend when I’m working my other job as you’ll likely enjoy the weather and time with your family… think hard about what your teachers did for you. Focus on how they helped and contributed to forming you into the picture of success you are. And then find it in yourself to be grateful. And then find it in yourself to be generous that they should enjoy at least a small measure of respect.
That’s all Glen… you and Gordon can carry forth if you like. But at least do that for me, thank you.
What’s the percentage of students who get a lot of detention in school graduate into the Harford Greybar Motel?
I’d bet a lot..
Is it more common in the Route 40 Area as opposed to North Harford?
Statistics says; Statistics also show that it is the discipline policies of the school system that forces students out of school before they graduate and end up in the “school to prision pipeline”.
That problem lies at the feet of the adminstrators in the school system, as well as those that sit on the school board. They haven’t the time or experience to handle an issue except by expelling/suspension.
I’d imagine students receiving long suspensions and more are doing something very disruptive, anti social and probably bordering near criminal charges.
I don’t believe this type of behavior should be tolerated, rewarded and or allowed in school.
Do you have evidence a student got expelled from Harford County Public Schools for just throwing a paper airplane down the hall one time?
Derp Durp, It’s such a shame that people demand that the school systems contribute to the pipe line to prison. That they and yourself can only live in the past and use a belt or other things to make those that need help to obey to rules. Rules that are being used against students who are asking for help.
Societies life styles have created many of these problems. Creating children who are lost and can only try to get attention by disobedience. Then throw them in prison to learn the ways of crime more so than what they learned from adults who are piss poor roll models.
Society and certain people only have time for those that follow old anti quainted rules. Not 100% sure from listening at school board meetings, it seems the system doesn’t have enough books on rules of conduct to give to every student. They never set out days in the schedule to teach rules of conduct. It is quite evident when 7 students took pictures with certain letters on them. Letters that were highly racist. Other than the students behavior, the school system was not prepared in how to handly the situation other than expell for a short period of time.
Of course, usually the responce is that costs money and I don’t want my taxes to go up. Well if that’s your attitude then shut your mouths, cause you are not the answer to a dificult situation your part of the problem.
I am guessing you never learned succinct writing skills. ?
Apparently not. I did graduate in Harford County.
The grand asshole was out today. All 2 tons
Another HCPS Teacher says; Gordon wants to thank you for speaking out with what I believe the majority of teachers do in their teaching and other activities.
I know you do all that and more, but I was not able to give a lenghty account as you have just done. I was fighting Glen hoping a teacher like yourself would speak out.
I also know of incidents where students went on trips. Didn’t have a lunch nor money to buy a lumch. I saw teachers buying those meals and offered to help. Their answer was; ” this is our thing. We do it and don’t want others money.
I aslo know of an incident where this female student was not in class. The teacher went to her home to find out the problem. The student had come of age and had no bra. Of course the teacher took her and bought her a supply.
It’s thing like this that people who shoot off their mouths about teachers that gets under my skin and will let assholes like Glen know they are wrong.
I am also from the old school of knowledge about law enforcement. There was a time someone would be PI and the officer would take them home. Not anymore. There was a time when someone could release their bladder behind a bush. Not anymore.
Law enforcement may have changed over the years, but everyday I find something out of love, that teachers do.
The answer doesn’t lie in an exact number. You have to be competitive or like someone stated they will just leave for another county. Both Cecil and Baltimore Counties pay better
HCPS’s problem has been they haven’t been able to give raises when needed. Teachers get frustrated and leave. I would guess this year they will lose between 100 and 300 teachers.
Nonsense…..
I think teaching is also suffering from a cultural/modern society workforce shift.
What I mean is, you’re going to have less and less teachers in schools who have stuck with the career.
Teachers who have 20-30 years experience are going to become more and more rate until it’s 10-15 years, and so on.
*Rare.
I agree and that is not necessarily bad.
Here is an interesting article. It shows how lower wages have effected education. I have followed both, but never put the 2 as one effecting the other. It does make sense. If the country returned to having a large middle income families, there would be more money for families to spend on there children and get them off to a better footing when in school. If more people earned more money they wouldn’t fight more funding for education.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/education-isnt-enough/590611/?fbclid=IwAR1xu8sqxdwZR5YZFqtkamH5accB_8E3eFq8tpOGpBukIPaT8PUgTd8yaaw
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2005-01-30-0501300169-story.html
very Interesting….
The grand asshole was out today. All 2 tons
THEFT-SCHEME: $100,000 PLUS
The assertion that Annapolis has “stepped up” is ridiculous. HCPS is punished by an outdated and flawed funding formula. It is long past time that our delegation get off its collective ass and get appropriate state funding for our schools.